The unmoderated NEO GEO thread

It's a shame the Neo CD wasn't updated/upgraded later on to better support and just plain support the later Neo Geo releases. I think it was a good idea for the home market, but load times and memory were problems for the technology at the time. Though you have to wonder as when it came out faster CDROMs were available. But if you do the math for larger NG games, it would take much faster drive speeds to make the loading times more bearable. But then again the games that needed it more came out later anyway, like KoF 98. But then we're talking about a Neo CD 2 system which I guess wasn't on the cards. It's a shame because without emulation alot of the games had not been very accessible for a long time. It's better now even though it's usually just sanctioned emulation.

 

Personally in this instance I'd consider the majority of the credit to go to NightmareTony, having been the original owner, scanner and releaser of said document. That does not mean you had no part to play though but it is sort of strange you posted the screenshot as proof Dion is lying when it only seemed to confirm what Dion had said was the truth in that instance, if not the whole truth.

Out of interest did NightmareTony ever sell his developer cart and receive anything other than +rep? I'm currently in a similar boat with one of my sales at present - everyone wants one half but as I'm broke I'm holding on so they go as a pair, but it is for something not as valuable.

One of the issues you may need to get straight is that Dion/NGF was never a subsidiary of SNK thus Playmore was never his parent company. He was an independant distributor, which is not uncommon as most manufacturers use third parties to push their products for them.

I did look into the legit or not issue when Dion first showed up on our doorstep. It does look like Dion/NGF may have had little or no right on some titles thus people are right to be angry. They are also right to be angry if they are unsatsifed with the quality of a freaked product. If they were chargebacked or otherwise scammed or recieved poor customer service they also have the right to be angry too.

However it does also appear Dion had the rights to other things too and as such, on the balance of probabilities, a reasonable person would accept that. I'll quote my typo corrected findings below:

Assuming the documents are correct, I can't see: Bust a Move Again EX, Bomberman, Neo Mr. Do, Puzzled, Neo Bomberman, Panic Bomber, Prehistoric Isle and Zupapa in the authorised MVS to AES list.

I do see Breakers Revenge, Captain Tornaday, Metal Slug, Monkey Puzzle Exchanger and World Soccer 96 in the list however and these were titles stated converted from MVS to AES which would appear to legitimise some conversions but not all. It does however put a spanner in the words of the alleged daughter of a CEO at SNK USA's claims to NO rights though.

They also have Twinkle Star Sprites in the MVS to AES seizure list, but fail to state the language, but in the distribution list they accept he had the rights to distribute the Japanese version, so whether his version was Japanese or not who knows but the list appears to be based on seized titles only - it's possible Dion had titles which were not seized, but at the same token, it is possible Dion had the rights to more titles but insufficient documentation at the time of the hearing. Typically Judges don't like to fuck around waiting for you to get that last little bit of proof, when they just want you to GTFO of their court - so you either have it to hand or you don't and they go off that.

I think if the documents are clear, from the rights presented Dion may have taken a few liberties, but many of the allegations, even if some are true, are off the mark as well. For example someone stated all MVS to AES conversions were illigitimate - having gone through the injucntion/seizure and press release, clearly this is not the case.

Whatever discredit Dion may have brought to the Neo community, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but the Neo community would have done things wrong too. Personally the misinformation about the events would be one of them. Not recognising the legitimised reprints and conversions on the master list is one of them - if the master list is for officially recognised titles, even if you're not happy with the freaked quality or Dion's behaviour, in many cases it is still the official quality and the official product so that should grant them entitlement to the master list. Forgetting freaked titles exist is silly - it is up to people if they want to collect freaked titles or not, but given as many freaked titles are official titles, they belong on your list too.

Assuming the documents are correct, I also see the unreleased Diggerman in the original claim, but this does not mean the prototype is a fake, only that he didn't appear to have the right to redistribute it. It does go some way towards proving the game did exist and it was in his possession though.

There is a saying, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. There is also the saying let by gones be bygones. What happened, happned a long time ago. If there was any legal recourse, your time limit would have likely expired. As for Adol, Shock Troopers is on the approved product list, so again it doesn't look like YOU got scammed, even if everyone else did. You really need to start forgetting about all that French law crap, because that is all it is - merde.

Obviously people have questions for Dion, but if you're going to keep shouting at him, he isn't going to be listening.

What I would like to know is what do people expect from Dion:

A manual?

Money?

Closure?

It seems to me that everyone involved lost, even Dion and it is clear whatever your hopes are now Dion showed up, it is unlikely anything will come of it. If I were in your shoes, as someone who has been scammed out of many thousands of pounds I'd have taken legal action when I was able to and if not, forgot about it and got on with life as there is more to living than 14 year old hate campaign.

As I have stated elsewhere Dion comes across as having a Histrionic personality to me.

Now I have a message to forwards from Dion. I have messaged him privately on some issues but nothing I wouldn't feel uncomfortable about repeating in public nor does it mean I am in his pocket. In any case Dion welcomed me to publish his reply, so I shall.

Mexican standoff

 

Lol, Dion's such a prick.

Same shit via pm. I pity you Legit, even though you're a cunt...in a nice way as you know, NOT a Dion way! I've even kept my slap down sig as a tribute of sorts, although with all the sig worthy posts recently this may soon change.

 

Don't worry I know what you mean. It is just a shame that despite all of the bollocks Dion probably has done, people seem to conveniently ignore the positive things that were probably true too.

That really is uneccassary as it has been posted here already, in fact originally.

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=478917&postcount=6

 

If the master list supports conversions and laser printed inserts, the "official" part goes straight to the toilet as everyone can produce these things at home.

 

Anyone can produce these things at home, this is true but the distinction is not everyone has the right or the blessing of the IP owner to do so. As I have said and which you conveniently ignored, it looks like Dion didn't have the right to do this for a few titles. The ones I noticed from all of the documents NG provided were: Bust a Move Again EX, Bomberman, Neo Mr. Do, Puzzled, Neo Bomberman, Panic Bomber, Prehistoric Isle and Zupapa thus as far as I can tell Dion had no right to freak these titles at all, but that doesn't mean he had no right to freak others.

I shall refer you back here and highlight the relevant parts for you. You will probably conveniently decide it is not the case and continue to troll, but I'm not intentionally intending to discerdit TonK on that issue, in a way his proof did it for him. I accepted he had a part to play and I'll highlight that point again. If you choose to ignore that, then it is your perogative.

 

once the solder is done and the insert is out of the printer, whom will be able to tell apart where did it come from?

Such amateur work only exists as NGF tried to pass these as SNK originals in the past. Now that everyone knows it´s homemade stuff, it has no place in the master list.

Essentially not even NGFUSA can make these anymore, but once the work is finished, it´s impossible to know when it was done.

 

What I would say is that Legit is slightly wrong on his assertions elsewhere that scammers don't get banned on this forum for scams elsewhere.

The member 'The Arcade God' aka Japhei aka Casey someone aka a piece of shit, was banned from here pretty soon after joining, and while he may have scammed members here throughout his history of thievery, they weren't scammed on this forum.

Which seems exactly like the Dion situation. Well almost. Dion has definitely scammed members of this forum, albeit not on this forum, whereas for as Japhei, I'm only speculating that some of his scams involved members here (likely given the volume of shit he pulled), but not confirmed.

Ban request for Dion lol.

 

That is rich coming from a double, triple or even shitposter and all round troll.

Evidently I am no more equipped to explain the issue than you are to understand it. There are undoubtedly other intelligent people here capable of reason free from passion so my comments shall not go unheard.

Not at all &

Again when you're right you're right - there may be no way for the layman to tell them apart and it is not right to pass off a forgery as an original.

I guess there is a difference between an issue with bullshit on both sides and outright unadulterated infamy. In any case TTFN I'm off to watch a DVD

 

True, but you were still wrong to say otherwise

Also, am I a bad person (not generally speaking, probably though, but in this specific instance) for first reading

Fucking typos Grr

as fucking gypos grr?

 

Ban request for Dion... and LeGIt (PSO killer) ^_^

 

Or I neglected to present a back door get out clause or otherwise well rounded argument

It is in the eye of the beholder

Old news, but I was a PSO lover too. It was a shame really but people learn from their mistakes, no?

 

You must be punished (forever) ^_^

 

I feel a forced apology has no value, a false apology would be somewhat insulting nor do I feel the need to do so any time soon. I'm quite content to own this curse and end my days as a bitter old man, if I'm demoted as a result then so be it. In the short time between the end of PSO and my joining here I learned my lesson, grew up and moved on. Good things come to those who wait, but they're probably going to wait a bloody long time.

Oh but I have. The irony being I've been punished for several things I didn't do, yet not for some things I did.

 

I feel sorry for you if you can't read multi quotes. They're very easy to read, and break the text up nicely. Plus, of course, they show you the original text to which the text is referring.

Conversely, double posting or, in your case triple posting, is annoying and unnecessary. The edit button is there for a reason - please use it. And don't be surprised if you find your threads merged into one by a moderator.

I would suggest you go and read the suit more carefully. I posted a link somewhere in the NG forum when Dion showed up.

What you will find is two things:

1. NGF were sued for releasing games without permission (i.e. producing replica carts from prototypes).
2. NGF were acquitted of any wrongdoing regarding the relabelling of carts, and were granted permission to do so and act as official distributor for a specific list of games. This is in black and white in the summary of the case.

Whether you like it or not, this means that the carts that NGF made WERE sanctioned by SNK/Playmore. Sure, it doesn't look professional to have laser prints and such. If you don't like it, I would suggest not purchasing the product, but accept that they were sanctioned. As I've mentioned before, rebadging items is commonplace in the electronics industry. And yes, sometimes the result is a shoddily presented item. It is a shame that the copyright owners don't take proper care in ensuring that the final product is up to their standards. Really, you should be shouting at Playmore for this.

As for moderators, ASSEMbler chooses them himself. And, to be honest, it's none of your business why he chooses who he does. You can accept it, or you know where the door is.

You know, I've been a member of NG forums for many years, and there are some lovely people over there. Sadly, it's the likes of you who come and troll on other forums that ruin the reputation for everyone else.

I welcome you to the forum if you're happy to stay and have intelligent discussions, but flaming Dion is not the way to do that.

You don't like him - we get that. Now drop it and let's move on to something else.

 

I'm sorry, but...

What is the status of Dion's offer?

(Specifically, where if he proves that they have Last Odyssey, he gets to slap Tonk in the face?)

It seems like the ultimate solution. If Dion wins, well, holy shit. If Tonk wins, no bullshit, no, "we've had it here the whole time, but we just dont' want to show it." Endgame.

 

Lol, I like the solution.

Particularly as, under the same dumb logic they use over there, by refusing to spend a couple of hundred dollars (despite offering a far bigger reward for video proof) to go and see Chris and the game, he's proved he's full of shit.

Tonk - you can't claim that you've got proof that Dion is a liar just because he refuses to jump through hoops and show you something one minute, then take the exact same stance the next minute and not expect people to tell you that YOU are all talk.

 

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?

 

Well, you're 100% wrong, but whatever.

What's black and white is that SNKP granted NGF permission to sell the rest of their stock - I don't see ANYWHERE on the case summary where they say that the corrected inserts are authorized or official. Must be my old age.

The inserts were never official - SNKP said the same thing when countless members called and emailed them back in 2003. Even the lawyers for SNKP stated the same thing.

An EXCEPTION of the permanent injunction allowed them to sell remaining stock.

You can no longer purchase a corrected insert from NGF, Dion will tell you the same thing.

I did my homework a long time ago - you need to let the truth speak for itself instead of reading between the lines.