The unmoderated NEO GEO thread

You've met me in person, do I look like I would back down from any challenge?

 

I feel like a weight lifted off my chest - if you want me to make amends publicly, I can.

What I did was childish and wrong. I'm sorry.

A simple "fuck you" response would have been nice - I assume a grudge is in place.

 

One more reply, to make an even bigger ass out of myself for not using the multi-quote

 

That's fine - if that's the way you feel, I have nothing negative to say about that. Had I not intervened, the manual would still be elusive.

No, the cart remains in his possession AFAIK.

This is true.

This is all incorrect. I've already stated what took place. If you want to break down this post and challenge me to answer specific questions, I will.

Money for some, closure for others.

I'm content with that.

Pictures of flash carts don't count.

This isn't true. The footage was taken from a trade show and posted BEFORE the cart pics were taken.

I would pay, ask anyone, I have the means to. I don't bullshit. But new footage will NEVER surface from Chris or Dion.

I've already responded to this.

See above.

Dion knows damn well I'm not afraid of him, or anyone for that matter.

That was kind of a staged thing he did, it's no big deal - he can confirm this.

:banghead:

 

That's why its so tasty and worth bringing up again.

Prior, Dion would prior confirm that he has the game and that it is tested and working---that it hasn't fried or some other BS---as to prevent surprises/excuses upon your arrival. Dion would agree that there is absolutely no excuse for him not to have it--that anything less than a playable cart/rom is an admission that he does not have it.

 

I don't normally post/reply in the unmoderated thread, but I didn't want to let any confusion persist on the NGF inserts.

Here is the direct quote from Playmore's press release:

[SIZE=-1]These games were sold by Neogeo Freaks/NGF USA with the corrected English AES inserts with the permission of SNK Corporation Japan.[/SIZE]

http://web.archive.org/web/20050208171535/http://www.snkplaymore.jp/information/en_press15.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20050208171535/http://www.snkplaymore.jp/information/en_press15.html

Mike, you still must be misunderstanding.

A similar question/answer from page 16 of the NGF History thread,

<<Per playmore's settlement offer, we gave up nothing.
Playmore offered NGF a settlelemt not to countersue for frivolous lawsuit, defamation of character, lost revenues, etc...>>

<<It's not just my words, it is the sworn affidavit and signed declarations under oath by SNK-Japan, Playmore, and SNK NeoGeo USA, in US Federal Court, stating SNK-Japan gave full licensing permission to NeoGeoFreak to sell/distribute those titles and with repackaging rights licensed to NeoGeoFreak.

We signed our contracts with SNK.
SNK granted us licensing and repackaging rights for all games that they themselves had legal rights for. (something playmore was unaware of when they purchased the snk name and rights from Aruze).>>


All in all
Yes, we can still offer cartridges with NGF inserts or just the inserts.
We retained all our rights.

One again
The playmore press release states all NGF items and NGF corrected inserts are official and done WITH THE PERMISSION OF SNK-JAPAN.
(None of our dealings were with playmore)

http://web.archive.org/web/20050208171535/http://www.snkplaymore.jp/information/en_press15.html

Hopefully this will clear any confusion., but somehow I think someone may choose to ignore it or it may get misunderstood again.
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Go to your couples retreat, old man :love2:

 

Oh yeah, before bed.

http://www.filedropper.com/tonk

 

??????????

 

Well that is neither here nor there as no one can say for sure what the future holds. Someone else could have bought the stuff and kept it in their collection, or bought and released it or it may have never been sold. Don't get me wrong you didn't do nothing as you did broker a deal, I don't dispute that.

If you could find the time to break down the whole quote and identify specifically which parts were wrong along with an explanation as to why I'd appreciate it. I'm sure others would too.

From the link you have provided it still seems I was right about several things, or at least at first glance. The documents I used for the legal vs illegal things were apprently the court documents and other things provided to me by NG and I had to basically notarize everything manually - someone should OCR that shit!

Now that I know what to look for, that link allows me to speed some things up as when you open the link, if you are using IE9, hit F10 and then click edit then Find on this page you can cover the entire list in no time at all.

I had a quick search and whilst I'm not going to go through the whole thing again, I still can't see: Bust a Move Again EX, Bomberman, Neo Mr. Do, Puzzled, Neo Bomberman, Panic Bomber, Prehistoric Isle and Zupapa in the approved freaked titles press release so those titles are probably unauthorised. Almost everything else is fair game and for all intents and purposes, official.

I believe I also covered reasonable grounds with regards to the discrepencies elsewhere but for the benefit of the others I'll repost it:

They also have Twinkle Star Sprites in the MVS to AES seizure list, but fail to state the language, but in the distribution list they accept he had the rights to distribute the Japanese version, so whether his version was Japanese or not who knows but the list appears to be based on seized titles only - it's possible Dion had titles which were not seized, but at the same token, it is possible Dion had the rights to more titles but insufficient documentation at the time of the hearing. Typically Judges don't like to fuck around waiting for you to get that last little bit of proof, when they just want you to GTFO of their court - so you either have it to hand or you don't and they go off that.

 

Well, your homework sucks. Dion posted the proof that I found and provided to him in this thread, and all you can say is "go to your couple's retreat, old man."

Come on, Tonk - admit that you were wrong and I was right on this occasion.

As for what I meant....

- Dion claims he has an unreleased game.
- NG community demand a photo as proof.
- Dion provides photo.
- NG community want to see it running.
- Dion provides video.
- NG community claim the video is a fake and want to see more.
- Dion refuses to show any more (as is his right).
- NG community state that OBVIOUSLY they now have proof that Dion is a liar.

To me, that's bullshit. Dion's refusal to show you something does NOT prove that he doesn't have it.

And then....

- You offer Dion a reward for answering some questions about the game.
- Dion states that he doesn't want your money, but will answer the questions.
- You ask a question.
- Dion doesn't reply swiftly.
- The NG community state that OBVIOUSLY he's full of shit - who wouldn't reply promptly when such money is at stake?

Of course, the community ignored the fact that DION DIDN'T WANT YOUR MONEY.

Then...

- Dion offers you the chance to come play the game.
- This will cost you significantly less than your reward.
- You refuse to go.

So... Dion states he has a game, shows pictures and video, and you all call him a fraud and the evidence fake. Apparently, that is proof that he doesn't have the game.

Coversely, you offer $5000 for him to answer a question. He then says why not come SEE the game? It'll cost you far less. You back away like a big pussy with some bullshit excuse.

If you were serious about the $5000 for a mere answer to a question, then you would have no issue spending $200 to go and see the game in person. Obviously, though, you were all talk and never intended to hand over any cash even if he did answer the questions.

However, if I were to say to you that you sir are full of shit as you won't do this simple task to provide evidence, you would freak out at me. Why? When you've said THE EXACT SAME THING to Dion about his refusal to video the game without you?

Incidentally, how do you know the answers to the questions? Have you played the game? If so, who has it? And how did they get hold of it? From Dion and Chris?

 

that's 50/50 then,
since, neither the photos provided nor the video prove 100% he have the game

 

I still think he doesn´t have it.

Footage of the game exists as it was common to send footage to magazines for preview coverage.

The real NGF previewed this game

The flash carts could contain anything, from beta released games to no game at all.

The proto was never seen by anyone but Dion and ChrisR. For more than a decade no one ever saw this proto besides the duo. They claimed to sold it but the owner never appeared. Not even the NGF in-circle members have ever stand up to backup NGF.

http://www.neogeoprotos.com/games/pinballpirates.htm

Why stage this at CES if you have the proto at hand?

Avoided tonk question for days, when finally answered got it all wrong.

Think about this:

Every long standing member of the NG community is 100% sure they don´t have anything. Some want it exposed for closure on the subject.

Only newcomers say otherwise, mostly in good faith I believe. Despite zero new evidence on the subject.

 

It's possible he doesn't have it, sure. It's possible he did at one stage have it, too. Just because someone has it, doesn't mean you have a right to see it. Sure, it's a dick who would say "Hey, I own this, but I'll not show you", but there you go. He's allowed to do that, just like you're allowed to think he's a dick for it.

However, what I find pathetic is how several members of the NG community will follow him wherever he goes, insulting him and bringing it up like a dog with a bone.

OK, tell people he cheated you. OK, tell people you think he's a liar. OK, tell people he got sued by Playmore. But do it, and move on. Leave people to form their own opinions of him based on all evidence.

Furthermore, perhaps people should be allowed a second chance. Do you persecute an ex con for what they've already done? Or do you say "well, he's done his time, he has to live with his crime, let's give him a new start"?

Dion has been nothing but civil here, really. Regardless of his past crimes, which we've heard thankyouverymuch, he has never done anything wrong HERE. As such, I welcome him as a member of the community. Whilst he does seem somewhat egotistical, he's had some reasonable conversations with us, shared photographs and information, which makes him a valued member of the community. We all have our faults, we can all be dicks at times. Dion's had more than his fair share of bashing here, and he has never retaliated or acted in an unprofessional manner. That makes him look like the bigger person, and you NG members who insist on coming over here and kicking off look like a bunch of childish schoolboys.

I welcome each and every one of you if you'd like to have sensible discussions on Neo Geo or any other aspect of gaming. However, if you're just here to stir shit with Dion, I'd personally rather you just fuck off and save that shit for the childish forum.

Oh, and I believe I have every right to call NG childish. You guys come over here and keep on about this perpetually in a very childish manner. However, when Legit went over there and tried to learn your side of the story, and explain why certain members were banned, he got ridiculed.

For everyone who hasn't seen, Legit was actually the victim of some fucking appalling behaviour. Several NG members criticized him for bringing up his disabilities in passing. His reason was partly to justify the attitude he sometimes has, with his autism / assburgers. One member of the NG community in particular made some particularly offensive comments.

The most disgusting thing was that others joined in / laughed, and said "he's only joking" and "that's how he is" and that "you shouldn't take offence". I believe that Legit has every right to take offence.

Oh, and then the conversation switched to at least one member demanding that Legit show them a picture of his genitalia, to substantiate his light-hearted comment on the size of his member. Continually.

I'm sorry, but as I said before, what is probably a small percentage of the total NG community take part in this childish banter and ridicule, and give the WHOLE community a bad name.

 

What? If his photos and video aren't proof he does have it, then likewise you don't have proof that he doesn't. Just accept that.

You see? This is precisely the childish behaviour I'm talking about. Why don't you fuck off back to NG and come up with some more illogical reasons why Dion is a liar and should be persecuted wherever he goes?

Funny things about that photo:

a) That product looks like it was made by a company here in my home town, with whom I considered a job offer once.

b) You've hotlinked that photo and used it without permission. Whilst I know this behaviour is rife on Internet forums, it's ironic that you accuse Dion of conning people out of money and yet would use images without permission yourself ;-)

 

sure people will bring it up, he´s a scammer and owns people´s money. Wherever he goes it will follow him until past deals get resolved.

Japhei never did anything wrong here and got banned immediately but Dion is alright? Double standard.

it´s OK for you to be a scammer but civil? All it takes to rip you off is a smile in the face.

Once he settles with his past, sure he can have a second chance.

He shared no photos or information with you. It´s all the same stuff from years ago. Webarchive has it all.

About LeGIt. He deserved it all. his posts are rude and condescending. Using his disability upfront to write whatever he wants is absurd.

You should check yourself as well, can´t even tell a joke. Since when someone request you penis shot on internet becomes a lifetime ultimatum?

 

saved for posterity. can´t believe I´ve lost my time arguing with you.

 

I can appreciate a good knob joke just as much as the next person.

Legit mentioned his manhood as a joke, funny.

The other guy said - prove it funny.

Legit laughed.

The other guy said - no, prove it.

Legit said - err, fuck off.

The other guy said - seriously, prove it. No longer a joke. No longer funny - more like creepy.

OK, you really want to get into people being banned here?

Tonk was banned. For being a complete twat. He took it too far, he deserved it.

Now we have SkyMathematics. Everyone knows it's Tonk. He should be banned, too. A ban doesn't mean come back under a new user name, it means GTFO and don't come back.

And yet ASSEMbler and the staff have allowed him to stay and continue his quabbling.

Tonk is lucky to be here, if you ask me. As I've said before, I always respected his knowledge and collection, but he was a dick, took it too far (I think it was homophobic comments, wasn't it?) and deserved to go.

This forum doesn't have the juvenile attitude that NG does. Yes, we appreciate a good laugh. Yes, we allow flaming - in the correct place, and it still has its limits. No, we don't appreciate prejudice and abuse.

 

This is the LAST TIME I'm repeating this.

- The video was out before any picture of the cartridge was ever released. Over 10 years ago.

- The photo of the cartridge proves nothing.

Let me ask you this. If you were going to purchase Last Odyssey from Dion, today, would that be enough evidence for you? If yes. Then thats it. If no, why are you arguing with me?

99% of the Internet know that neither Dion or Chris have the game.

I can see that you have some sort of hidden agenda towards me, because your reasoning is pretty limited.

 

It´s the internet, it still a joke. You are not obligated to do anything

and you should respect tonk for releasing Ghostlop and the Developers manual.

Basically the member that did real contribution to the NG community got banned and the con artist stayed.