The unmoderated NEO GEO thread

Thanks for the info: I already knew it, as I collaborated with the interview redacting some questions for it .

 

yeah but why Dion didn't collect his own releases with all the NGF stuff on them?

 

You mean KoF2000? It was probably released in distributor mode, but the rights to freak it were a result of the settlement.

 

no i mean the rest of the games distributed with the ngfreaked insert etc

 

Look 9 posts above on this page!!!!
Both Chris and myself had our complete collection with the official NGF inserts.
Haven't you seen the photos of our collections? I've posted close up shots on this thread showing our collections with NGF inserts.


Dion's personal collection - with official NGF inserts



Chris' personal collection - with official NGF inserts

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that's a complete collection...

but is the same photos of the close up, up there.. right?

what i mean is.... i thought to get a NGF stamped on the spine.

I was not drunken when i saw that.

mmm

Unreleated Edit: now i'm.. °_°

 

just dropping in to call Dion a cock sucker

 

You're just making him look better. Stop doing that.

 

:thumbsup:

 

I just added someone to my ignore list... feels better already ;-)

 

Well you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I had a pop over at N-G top say hello and see if anyone can prove their stories to shed a different light. Naturally, no one proved anything beyond the published documents and there are a couple of idiots there for sure, but a couple of nicer chaps too who just don't get me or the way the world works which is a shame.

Going through the documents it does look like Dion took *some* liberties and it is strange that the court orders a list of approved games, but Playmore removed 9 titles and amended arcade-only to some of them on their press release. I suspect they felt the court order was too broad and against their intentions, but the court order should stand regardless.

I don't see why it is so hard for people to accept that if they have an allegation, they must substantiate it before they are deemed worthy of a response and sadly several sheep follow suit - it is established rudimentary civil manner yet they are evidently blind to it, perhaps because they are not civilised in any way shape or form.

The bottom line though, whatever Dion did or didn't do is in the past and the Neo community are not without guilt too. Basically all sides are doing some form of bullshitting, exaggeration or being economical with the truth (even Playmore) and people will never find the answers they are looking for because of this. The story is bigger than one man and people will refuse to believe what Dion says regardless which basically gets no one anywhere.

Dion has been nothing but calm and polite here and that is how we judge him. We've all done stupid shit - heck on Phantasy Star Online I used to reset peoples consoles for the fun of it, or worse even overwrite their hundreds of hours maximum level character with a low level NOL and they lost all of their effort in an instant. The thing is though, I grew up and got on with it - I'm not so sure the Neo community can or will ever do the same.

 

legit

you probly right but parties will ever admit it. which is why dion gets a ration of shit. as you said Dion took *some* liberties which he claims he had rights to do. which makes lot feel funny about the other parts and with the multitude of testimonials to the contray. which many have moved on and are not here anymore to give you the reissueing of those. its along litigated public discussion.

if people just admited they didnt do everything by the book im sure it would go along way to fixing the problem.

 

NeoGeoFreak distributed AES
The fact remains that NeoGeoFreak (not dion, not chris) was an authorized distributor for the neogeo aes market licensed by snk-japan.

Apple and EEI distributed MVS
snk also had a company named Apple Distributors who was in charge of MVS coin op and Neo Print distribution. SNK later let a company named EEI (electronics entertainment international) distribute mvs in the USA and Mexico.

SNK-USA distributed Playstation, Xbox, and Nintendo ports, and Neo Pocket.
SNK-USA didn't want to bother with the mvs or aes distribution. SNK-USA wanted to concentrate their efforts on NeoPocket, playstation, xbox, and nintendo ports and other gaming sales, thus letting other companies handle mvs and aes sales/distribution.
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dion have you ever taken liberties with some details of your snk etc rights?

 

* This is not correct: you have been given there the DHP neo-geo list to read (link which appears too at this same subforum: http://replay.web.archive.org/20050306231453/http://lists.dhp.com/neogeo/ ), some compilations about what happened those "old years", etc. : another thing is if you have not read this, and/or not intepretating correctly what there is written (the DHP lists post in itself is very clarifying about what was going on through during those years).

Alicia Barone herself stated Dion did not have any rights granted from SNK USA those years, and she refered Dion as a "customer".

Beyond that, reading the DHP posts from those years, and what people was "discovering", shows Barone was telling the truth.

Regarding the legal documentation posted, the final one it is uncomplete, and not "Exhibit A" appears on it, so I don't know from where you take your conclussion about games from the "Exhibit A" which is not appearing in that last document (there are some "Exhibit A" in other previous document, but I don't know if it would be the same or not).

http://valou.ludo.free.fr/NEO/Copie%20de%20playmore_1.pdf

(There appears a list or Playmore games, but NOT the list that has to be marked as "Exhibit A").

The only documents which could throw more light about all this would be:

- Any rights contracts demonstrating SNK USA gave rights to Dion before the Aruze days, which would show Alicia Barone lied.

- Any rights contracts demonstrating Aruze gave rights to Dion: reading the Playmore press release, I tend to believing in fact Aruze effectivily would have given/sold rights to Dion from 2000, but anyway it would be great to read the document.


* Things are: if someone claims something, he is in not way in a forum obligated to show proof about all of his claims; but then, everyone is free to arrive at some personal conclussions with all the available information and documentation which can be as valid as the claims of that other person (even more, if it's read that other person has been caught in lies more than once).


* Regarding the "d.b.a" issue, I read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doing_business_as

"The phrase "doing business as" (abbreviated DBA or d/b/a) is a legal term used in the United States, meaning that the trade name, or fictitious business name, under which the business or operation is conducted and presented to the world is not the legal name of the legal person (or persons) who actually own it and are responsible for it. In other countries the expressions operating as (abbreviated o/a) or trading as (abbreviated T/A) are used for a similar purpose. The desired name might not have been registerable, or the business might be owned by another company, franchisee, or a sole proprietorship, resulting in all legally binding transactions taking place on behalf of the trading as name eg. MacDonalds T/A My Enterprises Inc. The distinction between an actual and a "fictitious" name is important because businesses with "fictitious" names give no obvious indication of the entity that is legally responsible for their operation."


According to the legal documentation of the trial, and reading this and the link Dion posted, the legal name of the legal person who actually own the NGF fictious business name and is responsible for it, is Dion Dakis (Chris does not is named as that there), so I would interpret any contracts signed with NGF would be signed with Dion, according to that.




* Regarding the "backwardility" of rights, I don't know in the USA, but in Spain rights does not work backwards.

So an item sold without rights before obtaining rights, would continue being always unofficial.

Perhaps in the USA that works different.

 

I saw the DHP lists already and the only thing they did really was disprove Adol's allegations of EPROM and 47 wires (plus I think they were added in a post edit or something). As I said I have seen the stories, but without proof they are just stories aka unsupported allegations.

This harks back to my point, Alicia Barone 'stated', hence she didn't prove anything nor is there any reasonable grounds to assume she would know (if it was indeed her who posted on Yahoo). That is not to say she would not got wind of things, but it doesn't man she would know the whole story too.

The final document is not likely to be incompelete, except for the confidential settlement terms. What happens when there is an exhibit A, the seme exhibit will be exhibit A throughout the whole case - if there was an exhibit A at each submission the case would otherwise have many exhibit A's which would become confusing thus pointless. I hope this helps.

You are right that isf someone has an allegation they don't have to show proof, BUT if they want their claim to either be resolved or believed, then proof becomes helpful or even ncessary, see how this works? To be honest without it Dion could have a good case for libel/slander.

If you are going to ruin someone's reputation, it would make sense you do a thorough job so the shit sticks, hence again: It is not what you know, but what you can prove.

It is a point which is becoming increasingly relevant.

 

- Here nobody is to ruin someone's reputation, or at least not I am doing so. But I am interested in knowing all confirmed facts I can about all I have read through the years, from one side and from the other.

You can NOT accuse so easily someone, being me or others, to try to ruin anybody's reputation.

- In the DHP listing is way MORE than Adol's case, and reading there you can not disprove Adol's allegations, but in the contrary, he stated that same story back then.

Perhaps not 47 wires, but the story was the same in the DHP list back then.

So please, read it again, and not only Ado'ls.

- You take credit off about Alicia Barone words back then, when she was part of SNK USA, and daughter of the president of SNK USA. Her words and appearance had a great impact back then in which was going on with Dion claims.

To demonstrate Alicia Barone lied, writing proof has to be shown: you don't show that proof, then according to your very same way of work with all this, you're wrong.

- "You are right that isf someone has an allegation they don't have to show proof, BUT if they want their claim to either be resolved or believed, then proof becomes helpful or even ncessary, see how this works? To be honest without it Dion could have a good case for libel/slander."

This is a forum, not a trial court, sometimes you seem to forget this: and if someone affirms X, any member can ask proof of it, that of course can be showed or not, but if not shown, X could be as truth as not.

Thing I would like to know without any doubt is about the preAruze years: what was going on there regarding rights?

Because the Playmore press release only shows that when Playmore bought from Aruze the IPs, Dion had some rights, which could have been acquired by him from Aruze the very same day before Playmore buying those IPs.

So according to the Barone words, the DHP lists, the claims of the people back then, I would like to know if really in the preAruze years Dion had no rights at all, or by the contrary he had them.

 

Adol's story changes like the sands of time - sadly as I stated before it has more holes than swiss cheese, more twists than a drill bit and is ultimately unsubstantiated.

caren103 clearly you do not understand what I am saying or trolling. I never once stated or implied Alicia Brone lied, so you are creating an issue that didn't exist, perhaps to try and make me look bad. For all they know they could be telling the truth, but they may not have had the whole truth. Also there was no supporting documents so yeah - still just a story.

I do not forget this is a forum, but as posted in the words of N-G there is a minimum amount of information which has to be met for it to be accepted and without proof...

If people can't even argue a case on a forum properly, god help them before a judge which is relevant as many people claim to want to go to court against Dion... but with what? lol

 

Yes, I have the same feeling from you: Legit clearly you do not understand what I'm saying or trolling.

 

Why would I troll though? It makes no sense.

I know exactly what you're saying (though you missinterpret my points) and we are both on the search for truth.

The issue here is we have different standards.

You appear content to accept words (for allegations), whereas the courts and I require evidence.

I could be wrong but that is all it boils down to IMO.