The unmoderated NEO GEO thread

Clear enough?
I've answered this to you and others many, many times.
NeoGeoFreak had distribution and repackaging rights starting from 1996/1997.

It's also discussed on page 1 of the NGF History thread.

NeoGeoFreak started doing the repackaging and corrected inserts many years before the Aruze acquisition.

I don't know how this can be any clearer.
Please stop bringing this old issue up over and over again. It's been answered many times and in 3 of the threads on assemblergames.com and it's been discussed on various other web sites.

Caren, you have also ignored the fact I brought forward that snk-usa didn't distribute mvs titles in the usa. They let all distribution be handled by Apple Distributors and by EEI. NeoGeoFreak handled distribution for aes.
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Regarding Exhibit A

Exhibit A referenced in the stipulated preliminary injuction order (jan 2003) with regard to Worldwide Video Entertainment Inc. appears to be a list of NGF titles copied from the www.ngfusa.com webpages.

WVE - preliminary injunction order
http://replay.web.archive.org/20030202034007/http://www.snkneogeo.co.jp/info/img/wve.pdf

Since Case SA CV 02-1107 DOC MLGx is against the following alleged counterfeiters:
- Worldwide Video Entertainment, Inc.
- NeoGeo Freak
- Arcade-Infinity

...it makes sense to me if the same Exhibit A is used in all three preliminiary injuction orders, and especially in the motion for preliminary injunction regarding NGF as the lists appear to be from NGF-USA's website.




Exhibit A - page 1 / 3

Shooting prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/shootingcartsales.htm

Variety prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/varietycartsales.htm

Racing prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/racingcartsales.htm


Exhibit A - page 2 / 3

Action prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/actioncartsales.htm

Sports prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/sportscartsales.htm


Exhibit A - page 3 / 3

Fighting prices
http://www.ngfusa.com/fightingcartsales.htm


Maybe by mistake they forgot the Puzzle games
http://www.ngfusa.com/puzzlecartsales.htm


The way Playmore has presented the court papers and their (sometimes updated) press releases is a mess - in my opinion.

 

dion you didnt answer my question

 

this one

 

this one too

 

[FONT=verdana, courier new,courier,tahoma,sans-serif]I'm not exactly sure if I'm understanding your question correctly.
If you're asking if I ever overstepped any legal boundaries, then the answer would be no. [/FONT]No, we never overstepped our boundaries on what snk allowed us to do.

[FONT=verdana, courier new,courier,tahoma,sans-serif] Full repackaging rights were authorized by snk and then by Aruze.
SNK-Japan did grant us rights for repackaging as a blanket statement. Which means NeoGeoFreak could have gone through with mass production from start to finish on all titles (and we still retain those rights). But we never commissioned full production of cartridge boards, cartridge cases, rom chips, our cases (original style or snaplock)(but we could have/still can). We can, but we won't.

Legally our previous agreements from snk-japan state an open measure of repackaging rights. Aruze/snk also granted us options to produce our own parts/chips for or mass release titles and we still have all the documents stating the agreements and provisions they granted us.

For example, if we as NeoGeoFreak felt so inclined, we could commission a
new release of a rare game 100% identical to the original and no one would be able to tell (as there are no serial numbers or date marks on the packaging). We could do it if we wanted to, but we haven't and won't.

Not cost effective at this point
It wouldn't be cost effective to pay upfront fees to have molds made of all the necessary parts (cartridges have 3 parts/3 molds needed), cartridge cases, rom chips, offset printed inert, offset printed sticker, offset printed manual, etc... only to release another 500 copies and offer them for $300 each. If we were to do 10 releases of 500 units each, then it would be much more cost effective to have all the parts remade.

I personally don't think the current neo market would be able to absorb 500 units of one specific title anymore. That is why homebrew releases (NGDevTeam and NeoConception, etc...) are usually made in limited runs of only 100 units per title, as they are locating and using sac carts for the parts needed. More cost effective, but harder to track down 100 clean/new sac carts that will correctly house the eprom chips.
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I don't know for Neoconception but NGDevTeam doesn't use sac carts since they have a proper and self designed board.

 

Dion

your comment explains why so many do not trust a word you say. once you finally admit not everything you did was as legal (or not defined as illegal) and that at the time it didn't matter because the snk etc was going thru its own problems and they wasn't paying attention to you. im sure then you can gain your rightful place in neogeo history.

this is why these questions have gone unresolved for a long time. when people smell smoke they know that a fire is around no matter how much its covered up.

 

Dion, for you to suggest or imply that you EVER owned either of these games is a bald-faced, disgusting LIE. YOU know it, I know it, and who cares what the people here think.

Shameful.

 

Maybe the language is causing misunderstanding.
I said we NEVER overstepped our boundaries. Everything we did was fully legal and official. We could have continued with full production, but we never did/chose not to.


NO... its the lies that cause the misunderstanding. i've explained to you why many want you wiped from history. its up to you to finally man up

 

Sac carts for case and box
They used their own program boards, but they still needed the cartridge cases to house the boards and the outer cartridge boxes.

100% legal, official, authorized.
Maybe the language is causing misunderstanding.
I said we NEVER overstepped our boundaries. Everything we did was fully legal and official. We could have continued with full production, but we never did/chose not to.

Our games are OUR games.
First off, the term is "bold faced lie."
Secondly, Why does it bother you and bill as to what video games we own? Are you or him gonna spend countless hours making another new web page on the subject?

Neither chris nor myself ever cared if you and bill believed what titles we have or had, that's why neither of us argued back over it. I do find it amusing that you and bill get so worked up over video games. We're not offering them to you for sale, so why do you two get so excited about it all? Calm down my friend.

I couldn't care less what titles you or him may have. If you guys claimed to have QP, Pair Par Wars, MotW2, I wouldn't ask for proof, nor would I call you or him a liar. It's just not that big of a deal for me to question what video games you guys may own. Also, to call someone a liar over video games makes yourself look a bit silly. Calling us liars doesn't disprove our claim either.

For a lawyer, you act in a very strange manner when dealing with particulars. Just as I don't ask you to show me your law degree, I don't ask to see if you passed the bar exam, and I don't ask to know what law firm you work at. If you say you're a lawyer, so be it. What do I care? I don't care if you're a lawyer or what video games you own. I talk to you as a person I've known for many years and a fellow neogeo fan that I've never had a problem with.
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Dion, there has been plenty of argument as to whether you or Chris had last odyssey. This was not because I personally care about your or chris' collections, but because the community at large has an interest in procuring and preserving unreleased titles. With last odyssey, it was YOU, not US, who tried to prove you had this game by posting staged photos at CGE with a ripped off label.

Clearly, ironclad and fun fun brothers are in the same category.

Now, in what I must say is very typical fashion, you post "look carefully for the fun fun brothers and ironclad." much like we have seen your aes inserts for crossed swords 2 and warlocks, but no real proof. Now, do you have the cajones, or perhaps just care little enough about your public perception at this point, to state "there were, at the time of that photo, working prototype aes carts of those games in those boxes?"

Whether you do or don't won't change what you and I both know to be 100% truth. You didn't have those games. Why mislead people with a comment like that?

 

John, you guys asked for photo proof and we provided it.
You guys wanted to see the boards, we provided photos.
You guys wanted video of the game in action, so I personally recorded video of Last Odyssey, Bang Busters, Mystic Wand, Nightmare in the Dark, Bang Bead, and Zupapa. But even after all that proof was provided, it still wasn't good enough for you or bill. I just don't understand what else you guys could possibly demand, and even so, it still wouldn't be sufficient for you guys.

You ask if we had the actual games. Chris and myself have answered YES on many occasions. The video of those games were made by me from our working copies.

So far Bang Bead, NitD, Zupapa, Ironclad, Ghostlop, Bang Busters have been released. The others will all be released sooner or later, and arguing over it and calling people names and liars over video games is shallow.

FYI, and for the people you're speaking for who may have an interest in procuring and preserving unreleased titles, Last Odyssey has been sold to someone planning on making a release.
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im being honest and accessing why so many have issues with your "facts" it up to you to decide to finally be honest and man up but also you haven't proven that those conversions or other actions where proper or legal. be honest for once

its up to you.

do you want this to change and do you want your historic place confirmed?

its up to you.

i expect you will continue to stick to your well crafted "truths" which means in 10 years your will still be trying to sweet talking your place in history.

its up to you.

 

Perhaps.

But now we know to ask for details and pictures before we buy. Which is what YOU should have done in the fucking first place. We get the point, now fuck off and quit repeating yourself. We don't need people going on and on and on at us with the same stuff in order to understand that their may or may not be something fishy about Dion.


I've read through all of this thread from start to finish and as someone pointed out:

Where is this truly going? What result do people want to actually see?

Money back? An admission?

Personally I like the guy from what I've seen. His odd pictures of himself out on the piss with randoms are funny if a little egotistical. His answers to questions are a little vague and suspicious, but he's remaining polite and calm...the exact reaction of someone that realizes that this was all quite some time ago and everyone should really move on.

Neo Geo collectors really do seem bat shit crazy. I used to collect JP games and loved playing them. I'm pleased I stopped. I've seen people come to terms with the death of murdered relatives quicker than you guys are over a fucking game.

I'm travelling the states at the end of the year. Maybe Dion would let me visit as an unofficial representative of AG.

 

sorry, I will try to refrain from saying Dion in the thread from now on

 

So now you're basically switching the slur for the word Dion. Which still implicates that if he was homosexual that would be a bad thing.

So are you now going to parade around the board calling people Dion, laughing to yourself because you know that it secretly means that they're gay?

When the owner of the site asks you not to do something.

Take a fucking hint.

You're such a derekb (by the way...that means you're an ignorant biggot).

 

I was less swapping the word and more implying Dion is a homo

 

For fucks sake. So you're still putting the fact that being a homo is a bad thing?

I think you'll find that you're no longer welcome here.