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Hans Blix, the head UN weapons inspector, has gone on record in one of his own books saying he beleived Saddam had WMDs at the start of the war. The UN had estimates about how many WMDs Saddam had. The Iraqi scientists who were questioned by the US said they existed but they were destroyed after 1991. Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds.
To say that everyone thought he had no WMDs in 1991 is a rewrite of history.

Between 1991 and 2003 there was no verification of any destruction of any of these WMDs. That was the problem. Saddam offered no proof except for his own word. Why? Some say it's because he wanted people guessing if he had them or not because he would look too weak in the Middle East without that clout. That's why 12 years of UN inspections were considered to be a failure. No conclusion could be drawn. Before the war the UN was debating to either keep going with inspections or attack. No one was saying he's complied and sanctions should be dropped. If there were, please state your evidence from 2003.

What Bush did was he took intelligence after 1991 and made a worst case scenario. That's where you get the whole yellow cake from Nigeria thing. Very loose intelligence that turned out to be false, but that was intelligence claiming of a new type of threat. That's where he twisted the truth to suit his own purposes.

Anyway, here's an intesting article called "What if Saddam has no WMDs?" You'll notice the title and the date which is just after the war started. It explains some of this in more detail. A snippet:

"I begin with a presumption that the coming weeks and months will not reveal a cache of chemical, biological or nuclear materials buried somewhere deep in the desert. The reason is simple: After three months in which the U.S. has had every conceivable opportunity to threaten, bribe and cajole Iraqi scientists involved in the WMD program to reveal their whereabouts, not a single one has done so. On the contrary, they all have stuck to the official line from before the war, that these weapons once existed but were disposed of sometime after the first U.N. inspectors arrived in 1991. We have to confront the possibility that they are telling the truth."

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/08-03/08-06-03/a12op073.htm

 

Well yeah, twisted the truth definetly. What I'm saying is that the "debate" was a sham to begin with, and I can't see how anyone can defend these people or thier position. It looks to me that the positives from this situation (removal of Saddam, a slight chance for democracy in the region) do not outwiegh the negatives (thousands of American soliders and Iraqi civilians killed, rediculous amount of money spent on the war, America's standing in the world flushed down the toilet, proliferation of terrorism into Iraq, etc.0

 

Condolisa Rice is a cunt, that is why , her true name is Cuntolisa Rice ;-) (and Yes I read the things you are saying, don´t worry, I am right now just the joker )

 

Condoleza Rice makes Bryant Gumble look like Malcom X.

 

I'm too lazy to write a new post, so I'll just copy the one I posted earlier on a diff site....

It seems this country is finally waking up to the reality it has created. With the ousting of hard liners such as Phil Kline and Rick Santorum we have shown that even the slowest of folks can only be tricked temporarily. I have little faith in the majority of the Democratic party, but much more then I had in the group of Jesus freaks who are now looking for new jobs. Now as long as George Allen goes down I'll sleep good tonight.(and if the Kansas board of edu. is no longer controlled by right-wingers I'll sleep that much sounder. Can't seem to find any results for those races though.)

and....

Rummy is gone for good!!!!!!

This has to be one of the best days for America in recent years. Hopefully with him gone we will actually focus on a strategy that has some chance of working.

 

Things are starting to look optimistic now. Hope that rumsfeld dishes the dirt off of bush and rove and possibly cheney down the road.

 

Let's ditch communism for no apparent reason

 

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What about commies?

 

Anything, free for all, lets hear it!

 

Hugo Chávez won the election , great for him. Since he is doing a wonderful social job. Heck that is what Social Democracy is all about. And well I wish Denmark was that social minded.

 

But at the same time hes going to pass a referendum that will shut down all privately owned media essentially eliminitating any opposing views that might or might not be saying the truth on how Chavez is handling the country. The drug lords love him.

 

that is sad though. But some other news, that maybe will be a good thing in the long run. Some Danish journalists has been aquitted in the city court. In a case where they gave out information about the real threat in Iraq. From secret military reports.

And this case have had international coverage.

but I couldn´t find an English link

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2006/12/04/132958.htm?nyheder

 

FUCK IMMIGRANTS, YES FUCK EM ALL! THEY TOOK ER JBBS!

 

Durt da durh!!
Yeh, Eva! Go back to your home!:110:

 

Honestly I lost all the little respect I had for chavez when he said he's going to pass a bill on the constitution for unlimited presidential periods.

In american history (as the continent) every country were a president could be elected forever has ended in a soviet-like regime.

Honestly chavez isnt even as great as peron, and he was far for perfect by the way...

Thy tuk ur jibs!:lol:

South park rocks...

 

Hmmm I would choose Hugo Chávez anyday of the week over Augusto Pinochet, who is now dead. If I had to choose.

 

"Stalin's opression must end ><"

..nevermind, I had to get that out my system

 

Saddam Hussein Executed

Via (CBS News): BAGHDAD Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has been executed by hanging after three years in U.S. custody. He died before dawn Saturday in Iraq, which was about 10 p.m. Friday EST.

The shotgun-waving dictator ruled Iraq with a remorseless brutality for a quarter-century and was driven from power by a U.S.-led war.

Saddam was executed after being convicted of murder in the 1982 killings of 148 Shiite Muslims from an Iraqi town where assassins tried to kill Saddam.

Also hanged were Saddam's half-brother Barzan Ibrahim and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court.

State-run Iraqiya television news announcer said "criminal Saddam was hanged to death and the execution started with criminal Saddam then Barzan then Awad al-Bandar."

The station earlier was airing national songs after the first announcement and had a tag on the screen that read "with Saddam's execution marks the end of a dark period of Iraq's history.

On his last night alive, Saddam sat alone on death row with his Koran, the Muslim holy book, CBS News correspondent Randall Pinkston reports. As his time waned, Saddam received two of his half brothers in his cell and was said to have given them his personal belongings and a copy of his will.

Najeeb al-Nueimi, a member of Saddam's legal team in Doha, Qatar, said he too requested a final meeting with the deposed Iraqi leader. "His daughter in Amman was crying, she said, 'Take me with you,'" al-Nueimi said late Friday. But he said their request was rejected.

CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports that until being turned over to Iraqi control, Saddam remained in a jail cell in U.S. custody. The U.S. military had been prepared since early Friday morning to hand over Saddam to the Iraqi government, which wanted to execute the deposed dictator as soon as possible.

As anticipation built around Saddam's expected time of hanging, due to an announcement by an advisor to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, official witnesses to Saddam's impending execution gathered in Baghdad's fortified Green Zone in final preparation for his hanging, as state television broadcast footage of his regime's atrocities.

Also to be hanged at that time were Saddam's half-brother Barzan Ibrahim and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court, the adviser said.

The Pentagon said that U.S. fighting forces in Iraq are ready for any escalation of violence there.

"U.S. forces in Iraq are obviously at a high state of alert anytime because of the environment that they operate in and because of the current security situation," said spokesman Bryan Whitman.

The Iraqi government had readied all the necessary documents, including a "red card" — an execution order introduced during Saddam's dictatorship.

Saddam had been in U.S. custody since he was captured in December 2003.

A member of Saddam's legal team said U.S. authorities were maintaining physical custody of Saddam to prevent him from being humiliated before his execution. He said the Americans also want to prevent the mutilation of his corpse, something that has happened to other deposed Iraqi leaders.

"The Americans want him to be hanged respectfully," al-Nueimi said. "If Saddam is humiliated publicly or his corpse ill-treated," it could cause an uprising and the Americans would be blamed, he said.

Leading up to the execution, there was a religious issue that complicated the timing. The Muslim holy period of Eid begins this weekend, and there is some question whether Iraqi law permits a Muslim to be executed on a holy day. Martin reports that the Iraqi government reportedly consulted Muslim clerics.

Munir Haddad, a judge on the appeals court that upheld Saddam's death sentence, said he was ready to attend the hanging and that all the paperwork was in order, including the red card.

"All the measures have been done," Haddad said

In the United States, just more than an hour before Saddam was executed, judge rejected a request by his lawyers to delay the Iraqi leader's execution.

The attorneys had sought an emergency restraining order from a federal court in Washington to block Saddam's handover to Iraqi control. Earlier, a similar request made on behalf of Saddam's former chief justice was rejected by an appeals court. An appeal of the latest ruling is possible, but it's unclear if that will happen.

Saddam's lawyers issued a statement Friday calling on "everybody to do everything to stop this unfair execution." The statement also said the former president had been at the time transferred from U.S. custody, though American and Iraqi officials later denied that.

The governments of Yemen and Libya also made eleventh hour appeals that Saddam's life be spared. Yemeni Prime Minister Abdul-Kader Bajammal wrote to the U.S. and Iraqi presidents, warning in his letter to George W. Bush that Saddam's execution would "increase the sectarian violence" in Iraq, according to the official Yemeni news agency Saba.

Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi made an indirect appeal to save Saddam, telling Al-Jazeera television that his trial was illegal and that he should be retried by an international court.

Al-Maliki said opposing Saddam's execution was an insult to his victims. His office said he made the remarks in a meeting with families of people who died during Saddam's rule.

"Our respect for human rights requires us to execute him, and there will be no review or delay in carrying out the sentence," al-Maliki said.

As the execution neared, state television ran footage of the Saddam era's atrocities, including images of uniformed men placing a bomb next to a youth's chest and blowing him up in what looked like a desert, and handcuffed men being thrown from a high building.

Meanwhile, leaders in one of the United States' largest Arab-American communities said Saddam's execution will increase violence overseas and will not help the Iraqi people. Osama Siblani, publisher of The Arab American News, said Saddam's death sentence is one more casualty in a war that has killed thousands, and it will not solve the power struggle among Iraqi religious groups.

About 10 people registered to attend the hanging gathered in the Green Zone before they were to go to the execution site, the Iraqi official said.

Those who were cleared to attend the execution included a Muslim cleric, lawmakers, senior officials and relatives of victims of Saddam's brutal rule, the official said. He did not disclose the location of the gallows.

An Iraqi appeals court upheld Saddam's death sentence Tuesday for the killing of 148 people who were detained after an attempt to assassinate him in the northern Iraqi city of Dujail in 1982. The court said the hanging should take place within 30 days.

Saddam was born in 1937 in a village near Tikrit. As a teenager he was fashionably anti-British and anti-Western. He joined the Baath party but fled when his part in a plot to kill the prime minister, Abdel Karim Qassem, was discovered.

The ruthless Saddam gained a position on the ruling Revolutionary Command Council and for years he was the power behind the president, Ahmed Hassan Bakr.

During the 1970s oil boom, Saddam's Baath Party envisioned a country ruled by Arab socialism.

As deputy chairman of the ruling Revolutionary Command Council, Saddam headed an economic planning council that oversaw the building of vast industrial plants, huge housing projects, eight-lane highways, bridges, airports, universities and communication systems.

By 1979 Saddam had achieved his ambition. He became president and set the tone of his rule immediately by putting to death dozens of his rivals. Even outsiders who met him were quickly aware of the "Saddam fear factor" and its effects, CBS News correspondent Allen Pizzey reports.

"I think its fair to say that the intimidation, the fear that he caused reached into the inner circle of his regime and that deprived him of contradictory points of view," said former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Richard Murphy.

Under Saddam, imprisonment or summary execution of political foes was common. Political parties, unions and civic groups not controlled by Baathists were banned. Traditional bonds were reshaped to support a one-party state.

Millions of Iraqis, though, were able for the first time in their lives to wear designer clothes and vacation in London, Madrid or Paris. Others started tasting imported foods and driving Japanese, German or French cars — all at government subsidized prices.

Within a year he made the first of several major miscalculations: A lightning attack to seize a waterway turned into the Iran-Iraq war, an 8-year bloodbath.

His 1980 invasion of Iran, portrayed as a fight against the Persians on behalf of all Arabs, set off an eight-year war that drained Iraq's economy and killed hundreds of thousands on both sides.

In 1990 Iraq's invasion of Kuwait would turn out to be another miscalculation, but in the months before the Gulf War of 1991, Saddam's stock in the Arab world rose considerably. Many Arabs saw Saddam as a man willing to stand up to the U.S., Israel and the West.

As years of sanctions ground down his people, Saddam refused to comply with weapons inspectors and remained the arrogant dictator, loved and hated in equal measure, isolated from his people and reality. Even he may not have known that he did not possess the weapons of mass destruction that were the pretext for the U.S.-led invasion, Pizzey reports.

 

Just saw a video of his death (needless to say, not the CNN version). Crazy stuff.

 

Borman, i need the link. i was looking for this to satisfy my craving for brutality which is of course induced by violent video games such as super smash bros. , grand theft auto, and let's not forget Yoshi's island 2. Mortal kombat is for kids