To be sick in the united states without insurance.

AWS: sorry for cursing at you, but you are so fucking stupid, and too narrow sighted in that area. That you close your eyes on the world, thanks to your love for USA and your national pride. But you are number 36 on the worst of health care systems in the world. Heck my shitty country is number 35. But you have heard about my sister before who got that blood clot / thrombosis in her lung, and if you ask me. Then she wouldn´t have survived it, if she was living in USA, or perhaps she would have been economic ruined. But luckily that she is living in Denmark. And we still (for how long I don´t know...) pay our medical stuff over the tax. Then we can save a lot of people on public hospitals. But thanks to my insane fuckedup republican like government, then the private hospitals are getting the creme del a fucking creme. And the public hospitals becomes the poor mans hospital. Perhaps, if the democrats over there shifted some of the taxes to the weathiest fuckers , that they should pay some God damn fucking taxes, then you would perhaps begin to see the greatness in having a public healthcare system.

 

Simple question for you. Why should the rich have to pay more? Why for that matter should any one person have to pay more than another?

 

As stated in the Michael Moore movie:

Anyone interested in marrying a Canadian for the medical care, see http://www.hook-a-canuck.com/

But yeah, dude, that really really sucks. I'm glad in a way that the American system isn't the norm. Perhaps we should set up a ASSEMbler medical fund - I'd be happy to chip some money in!

 

Because of the world we are living in, there the richest people are screwing the poor people over, and they are doing it all the time.

 

I actaully get free health care.....

I lucked out there. Only thing isn't cover is dental.....and I need dental work done.

YAY for Clinical Depression/Anxiety/OCD

 

From what I hear, Canadians look to Michigan and Ohio for major treatment. Long lines, waiting lists, etc.

"Free" health care isn't free. Someone has to pay for it.

Recenly read a story about how the elderly in the UK are treated as low priority patients. i.e. expendable.

U.S. health care may not be perfect, but it'll be worse if it's run by the same people who work at the DMV. No thanks.

 

No offense, but how can you honestly think that a "poor" person paying a lesser tax rate while a "rich" person pays a higher one is fair? If everybody pays a flat percentage (which btw, is NOT the case in the US, the "rich pay a much higher tax rate than the "poor"), what is more fair than that? The "rich" person may make $100,000 and pay 10% of that ($10,000) while the "poor" person that makes $10,000 only pays ($1000). That's a pretty big difference in amounts and even seems to favor the "poor" as I'm sure they don't use less of what our taxes go to pay for than the "rich" do.

If the "rich" person is more motivated and willing to work to get a high paying job, they deserve what they earn. If the "poor" person is satisfied with a low end job and doesn't want to work to better themselves, they have no reason to expect others to take care of them.

ANYBODY can be "rich" if they apply themselves and work hard. I came from a very poor family and now have a nice comfortable life because I was (and still am) willing to work my ass off so that I don't have to go without the things I need and want. It's not hard, you just have to want it bad enough.

 

I'm sorry if you misunderstood what I said, I wasn't very clear. What I meant was that I found sense lacking the fact of health care being so expensive as they say it is, when it could be cheaper (not necessarily free). And I'm not saying it is good or bad in terms of quality, as I don't know. Of course you've got access to the latest technology and we don't, but that doesn't mean the quality of your health care system is far beyond ours. Overall, in Uruguay, the public health care system works, it is not perfect nor the best out there of course, as for being public it is usually overcrowded, but it gets the job done, and gives thousands of people a chance to live, which otherwise they would not have.
And we do also have private health care systems, I've been in a private one for almost 8 years and it has some differences in terms of service and availability of doctors of course, but it's not a steal either, and the doctors and medical technology are usually the same as in the public system.
I think what works best is to have both public and private systems, offering the people different possibilities and mantaining the status quo, so the ones who can afford a private system should do it, in order to 'free up' space for the ones that have to use the public one.

And btw, I'm not mad but this: "...the quality of health care here in the US is better than anything you'll ever see in Uruguay..." , sounded quite rude.

 

Do you have a CPA? Are you sure you're writing off enough stuff? Although $700 a month seems high, it's not that high. I pay close to that for my insurance alone (not my wife or childs) into Japan's National Health Care. Doctor's visits are cheap, but they're still a similar price to a US doctor visit w/ health care and no prescription care. Runs me about 4000 yen to see the doctor and get one kind of medicine on average.

Funny you mention this now. I didn't get traveler's insurance on a recent work trip and dehydrated. I went to the ER for a drip, and of course, they wouldn't take my Japanese national health insurance. I'm pretty sure I won't be reimbursed for it, although there is a small chance. That's about $1000, and all I got was a drip.

Pay your $700 a month. Like a good bicycle helmet, it really only takes one time in your lifetime to pay for itself.

 

I am a social democrat, that is why I see it as fair. So AWS when you see my message, just let it pass. I am not really into wars with you. And let us just say, that I have had a bad day.

 

OT rant: Bicycle helmets are overrated...they're only good for minor accidents as they are designed to split in half on a decent impact; but on a major impact or in a major accident, your helmet is useless as your brains will still be all over the concrete or suffer some other brain-related injury. (Rant over.)


I remember when I gouged the shit from my leg (just below the left knee) and since I wasn't sure if I needed stitches or not I went into the ER. Turns out the wound didn't need stitches, but for clean, cover and administrative costs the visit put a $123 dent in my wallet...if I would've known better, I would've just gone down to the store and picked up some gauze and medical tape (and save myself ~$110). And no, I didn't have insurance at that time (not that the shitty insurance I get through WalMart is any better, but at least I have something should I need it).

 

I'm curious (as I am clearly not into socialistic societies), what do you see as fair? Use the same numbers I posted if applicable.

(and I'm not looking for a flame war or anything, I'm honestly interested to know what someone in your position would consider fair)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

The main point is, I would rather pay a high tax that I do. And then know, I would get saved on the ER compared to not paying my taxes and then die on the way to the ER. Rich people will always try to screw every body over, and pay for their shit. And well this government and probably the last one too has royally fucked the healthcare system here. Thanks to their stupid tax reductions which aren´t really tax deductions. Back when there was a bigger tax pressure here, I had more money and buying power than I have with the same money now. And if I had to pay for a bacterial pneumonia treatment which I have had three or four times, then I would have been ruined. But thanks to some of the high taxes , then I could still be cured and my medicine was more or less cheap. And rich people (or at least quite a few) wan´t to pay less tax and that fucking sucks. For us on the floor like me. Since now , our government wants to force everybody to pay pension money to some pension, but the thing is, at the same time. They want to reduce tax for the wealthiest. So who gets my money ? well the fucking swines of the rich people. So think about why I get so damn bitter. I am tired of getting screwed over again and again when the rich fuckers in Denmark, by the way. Will get the cream to their hot coco from my forced pension money . But about the poor people in USA, well I see it as clear as snow, why the rich people should get their money up from their pockets compared to the little people. But the tax health care thing is also so other people can benefit from getting free healthcare. And other good stuff. It probably sounds like a good karma thing, and well to me it seems good too. And so what if somebody gets 100 US $ of my tax money, if I need to get 700 of his/hers to become healthy. So it is not that bad. Since both him/her and I have payed our tax. And we both get healthy. Sounds pretty god doesn´t it ?

 

Bullcrap, this has nothing to do with "national pride", so why don't you back up what you say with some real and reliable sources. If you can't, then don't post flamatory posts. And don't go posting something with skewed statistics from life expectancy and infant mortality rates, because that doesn't prove a damn thing about a country's health care system.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA547ComparativeHealth.html

The United States is number one in the treatment of cancer and the development of new drugs and technology to treat cancer. The US leads the world in releasing new medications for cancer before anyone else. Yeah, definitely sounds like the worst health care system in the world

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/16/AR2007071601391.html

One of the biggest reasons health care is so expensive anymore is because of lazy stupid f*cks that sue the crap out of hospitals because their liposuction didn't go just right, or some other frivolous bull crap lawsuit. Doctors have to pay more for insurance in fear of being sued, and that cost is then passed on to patients. It's shitty, but that's the US we live in today. This goes back to my previous post in mentioning chucklef*cks that want big government to look over them from the cradle to the grave (the same pukes that then turn around and bitch about the Patriot Act, down with big bad government huh?).

And with that system, what kinds of resources does your country have to lead advances in medical science? What kind of research and development is possible from these public facilities? The system may "just work", but is that good enough? I mean, you are paying taxes for not just your own health care, but also any old puke who can stumble in. I don't know about you, but I have no desire to pay for the health care of someone who doesn't want to take care of themself in the first place.

Again, forcing everyone to pay taxes for health care is a bad idea, especially if there are people that aren't going to use the public system. I don't care how hateful or mean I sound, I don't want to pay for someone else's health care, especially if that person isn't at all interested in taking care of themself.

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound rude. I meant better than you'll ever see under a public health system.

Funny you should mention that, as I've read several articles claiming the ambulance services in parts of the UK are terrible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/5050476.stm

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/s...n-on-ambulance-service-crisis-91466-21203951/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ulance-service-forced-military-shortages.html

Public health care at its best, huh?

 

AWS: what the worst part is, my government will cut down ambulance services here, which is mentally fucked up. But why the heck did Mikael Moore, then put USA on place 36 and Denmark on 35. When it looks like USA is better there with the hospital stuff (by .1 percent) that makes me wonder what the heck is going on in this world. But still I will prefer paying my healthcare over the tax.

 

Why is it that when subjects like this come up someone always claims the rich should pay because they are somehow screwing the little guy over but never seem to offer up anything to back it up but their own opinion?

 

Well, I really do not know how to respond to that. But I could mention a company which does that. The firm is known as Maersk.

 

Most countries (read: the two I've lived in) offer a progressive tax system. The more you pay, the higher the percentage. For the most part, it works although I do think a lot of people get caught in the middle. National Health Care is in taxes, so places w/o it (where a flat coverage fee is applied) looks like the poor guy getting fucked. There's some truth to the argument.

 

More like the smart and cunning screw the dumb. Differences in money is not a boundary.

 

Did you know in Mass you are required BY LAW to have Health Insurance?