Unofficial Deunan's GDEMU Thread

That's why a competitor like the Satiator is a good thing. Clones discourage innovation.

 

Well rather than that being a drive replacement its suppost to be a cart the plugs in the video CD port in the back

I probably would buy one (Pending price), even if I already have a Rhea

Now about the NeoGeo CD............

 

At the end of the day, you can play games off an SD-Card/USB-Drive, so it's still competition for the Rhea/Phoebe.

I'll probably get a Satiator myself, I like jhl's approach to open-source the API and he will probably make the device itself open-source if he ever abandons it, which is a big plus for me.

 

A clone isn't competition, it's theft. If 120 Euros is too expensive for you, there's other options to play Saturn games. Emulation, mod chip, psuedo Saturn flashed Action Replay cart, swap trick. There's no monopoly preventing you from playing Saturn games.

Just because you find a product too expensive doesn't mean it deserves to be stolen. Stop making excuses

 

That's the thing though, they aren't 120 EUR to 99% of the people who want one. They're only that price to the hundreds of bots that are set-up to grab these things as soon as they go live on his website. It's pretty clear that he doesn't really understand the demand for these things, it's almost like he hasn't heard about the exorbitant prices people are charging for them elsewhere. Here's an excerpt from his June 26th blog post:

"So you say it’s all because of poor availability that you buy clones. And you give me “an offer I can’t refuse” – either I make more devices or you will buy the clone. Moral, legal and free market arguments aside, that is simply put bullshit.

Let’s say I priced my devices 250 Euro a piece. Or, better yet, 500. How many people do you think would buy a GDEMU for 500? I’d be lucky to sell any at all. So I would have stock, since nobody is buying. Great availability. Except now you’d claim (and rightfully so) that my prices are insane, and you want to get my device but can’t pay so much so you’re going to buy the clone instead. Same story, different angle."

How many people would buy one of his devices for 250 EUR? Hundreds would, people are paying that much or more right now on eBay and other online marketplaces. Deunan is pretty terrible at every aspect of this product apart from making it, he needs somebody to help him out on the business side. He shouldn't type open letters on his blog like this; it will only exacerbate the problem. His insistence on keeping this as more of a hobby and less of a business venture is also part of the problem.

 

bots?? what are you saying? if you mean that orderings are made by bots youre wrong. what if i tell you that in the last 3 gdemu runs i found the ordering window open. in all three. and there were open for long too.

 

Have you been able to successfully place an order there before? Those are people grabbing those, not bots. It's not a simple click a button to add to cart when a sale goes live. Text fields have to be entered with information and a valid email account linked to a paypal account provided. Payment isn't taken right away. A week or two goes by and the request for payment is sent by paypal. That would be an incredible effort to have a bot take care of all that. I'm sure there's some scalpers who have a few windows open and they've got these things being sent to relatives or friends.

People who are paying ebay prices are simply impatient. I was unable to purchase a GDEMU for a couple months after checking on two or three sales seeing I had missed the chance. There was always one on ebay for a huge markup, but I simply waited and was finally able to purchase at the normal price. Being unable to behave like an adult that doesn't need instant satisfaction is a bigger issue facing the retro gaming community than the lack of any console accessories. This rampant self centered attitude IMO, is one of the saddest aspects of this hobby.

 

Not really to be honest.

I'm not saying there are tons of both or not, but for a web developer, this wouldn't take as much work as you might think.

 

So all those posts following a sale asking when they get their orders, has anyone received a request, how long does it take. Those are all bots too? Just having conversations with each other?

Another reason I doubt the bot thing, from what I've seen on ebay, it's usually only 1 or 2 sellers who routinely have done the flipping. They only have a few units at most at a time for sale. There's the occasional random seller, but they've only got 1 on offer.

 

I saw your post . That was more carrying on my point than wanting an answer. "Hundreds of bots"

 

I agree, I patiently waited for three years before PSIO became available in short bursts. Missed the first two ordering windows and managed to sneak in on the third. Same with the GDEMU and Rhea. Made a habit out of casually checking the website multiple times a day on my phone and got lucky. Though RSS would have been an easier option I suppose. The retro community really does have a patience problem. But not like that's gonna change anytime soon.

 

I want it to change, now! I wish someone could clone this attitude.

 

Video related

 

It seems the clones are now being resold on eBay with mark-ups. "Everyone" seems to be trying to cash in on the limited GDEMU availability vs demand bandwagon...

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com.au/ulk/itm/173417106355

Ted.

 

And if people pay that they need a slap with a sense hammer.

 

I don't mind the price but every time I want to get one pre orders are closed (I have other things to do not just check a webpage) I just watched a video on youtube of john riggs installing one and availability isn't an issue from the seller he got his from, I stumbled upon this post after some research cause if available I could have bought a few from deunan a long time ago.

to me is like this: you want something you should wait ( I don't disagree) but if every time you have time to get one is not available and someone else has it and cheaper even though is not reliable I see why many go for this, I just dislike the unavailability but I want to support the creator, but seems like the creator doesn't care if I want to support him and just releases small batches like nintendo minis, I don't have one either or a chinese clone but I decided not to support that and I don't care anymore if I ever get one but if I ever go to a wall mart and find one then I'll get it but I won't desperately look for one or get one from a scalper, same with the GDemu I have to just neglect the part of me that wants one and wait the same way I waited for an OSSC till I could get one without preorder just go to the webpage and pay for it.

So sad it has to be this way, it could be as easy to just make a big batch and have stock, or I wouldn't mind if I pre pay like the RetroDC and forget about it just to one day find it in the mail.

 

Strawman.

 

He must have known it would be cloned.. didn't the same thing happen with the Everdrive's and sd2snes?

 

Still waiting for a payment request, got a response email

Ill give him till August before sodding it and buying a clone