Used PS3 games banned (disproved rumor)

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  1. jp.

    jp. Be Attitude For Gains

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    It has been RUMORED for awhile... but as far as I can tell this article seems like a confirmation of said rumor.
     
  2. madhatter256

    madhatter256 Illustrious Member

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    Reead the specifications, the whitepapers on the Blue Ray technology. It will state that players have to have protocols for such security measures to disallow playback of media that has been played on a different device.
     
  3. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    If this for real then sony is already teh de4d, no doubts about it...

    Indeed, take for example PeakOil: they (the oil companies) are paying for ads and fake news saying the oil is over and we're all gonna die. I got a friend who works for a major oil company (cant say which) and he told me is all bullshit. For example the tar sands in canada hold more oil that saudi arabia (and I'm counting all the oil that has been extracted from that country) so we have enough fuel for at least the next 100 years.

    Peakoil is just an excuse for oil companies to charge us more for oil. Chevron got record profits the last year, how do you explain that? easy, overpriced oil. I'm not saying you should then go and buy an SUV (think about the enviroment) but help spread the word about this new corporate scam (the meteor, Y2K, avian flu and now peakoil).

    That or persuade people to buy small cars, so gas comsuption goes down and so will do gas prices.
     
  4. peter

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    First they decided to region encode their games and now this. Not like it's new anyway since most games out in the Japanese market have the for-sale-in-Japan-only and not-for-resale labels painted on them. Bad news for collectors if Sony have their way, rare games'll be harder to get. Sony'll probably order Ebay/Yahoo/(enter well known web store here) to remove such games from their websites in the future.
     
  5. Warakia

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    "I would like to clarify that this is false speculation and that PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console"

    http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2005/11/15/sonys_clampdown_on_secondhand_games_updated.html

    Now, of course they could always change their mind at any moment. But given the obvious legal and practical difficulties in using this technology, I doubt it.

    Sony are not that stupid. They are the market leader for a reason.
     
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  6. sabre470

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    I agree, Sony is no government, I understand from all the recent anouncements that they want us to spend a lot of money on PS3, but really they can't dictate what people can do with what they buy, plus a lot of people are making a living out of the used game market, that wouldn't be unfair.

    I agree with Gaijinpunch Sony is not stupid but they are hyper greedy and most recently completely ignoring the market.

    I think it's more down to Sony to understand that it's great to push the latest technology and since they don't make any money out of the consoles from a business point of view it would make sense to protect their revenue by disabling the used game market. However they have other alternatives than pushing shit-ray and HDMcrap, only make a game console, no a hyper sophisticated pseudo-tilt-ray-rsx-multi-cored-box. Nintendo manages to make profit on their consoles with a GC more powerful than the PS2 why not them...

    Sabre
     
  7. mairsil

    mairsil Officer at Arms

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    Sadly, that doesn't rule out draconian licensing schemes.
     
  8. sabre470

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    Then Sony's days as a game company might be counted, I'm sure that publishers would be more than happy to do it. But it might give Nintendo and MS an opportunity not to do it and attract people on their platform.

    But at the same time, isn't it a good time to dig and/or invent any garbage on Sony?

    Sabre
     
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  9. Alchy

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    Didn't Microsoft do this with the original Xbox? Like you don't actually own it, so it's illegal for you to modchip it?
     
  10. Conjoshus

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    Microsoft would ban your system from Xbox Live for life if they detected a modchip and that would also void any warranty on the console. I don't think it was illegal to mod, it was just against the user agreement which voided access to their services (repair and Live).

    I could be wrong...
     
  11. Alchy

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    It's certainly illegal to sell modded systems in some places. I was wondering how that came about, I mean if I bought the damn system it should be mine to do whatever I want with.
     
  12. WanganRunner

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    Voiding a warranty on a modified console isn't anything to write home about.

    When I installed a huge Power Enterprise turbo unit and upgraded injectors on my WRX, it voided the factory powertrain warranty. Stuff can't be expected to operate in-spec when the user is out hacking away at everything, it's perfectly reasonable.

    As for selling modified systems being illegal, it's intent to pirate that makes it illegal. i.e. selling a modded system that has the ability to play pirated games is illegal, but other mods are technically fine, although they don't really seem to exist.

    I think Sony is nuts to try and squash the preowned market though, EB will have a shit fit, that's where all their profits come from. I wouldn't be surprised if non-Walmart (i.e. no used software) retail support for the PS3 vanished if this happened.

    Retailers like EB make diddly on console and new software sales anyway, most of their profits come from used gear they buy for peanuts at trade-in. They'd have no real incentive to support a PS3 with no used market and not much to lose by not supporting it.

    Not that I think Sony would really do this, mind you. They're tyrannical, but they're not retarded. They do focus groups just like everyone else. They need to understand that Japanese focus groups won't apply to the US though. The used game market in Japan is fundamentally very different (i.e. "used" implies much greater discount, people really want new stuff), versus here where tons of people buy used.
     
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    what discounts do they get?
     
  14. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    I heard you can get stuff in mint condition and even only a couple months old for several times less than the original price.

    The japanese dont like used, just look at the car modders there.
     
  15. Hawanja

    Hawanja Ancient Deadly Ninja Baby

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    That's within the company's rights. Remeber back in the day when Nintendo modified the NES so it wouldn't play unliscenced games? Totally within their rights. But making it so your game that you bought legitamately is usless in another console, total bullshit. This has got to be a joke.
     
  16. GaijinPunch

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    Used games in Japan are not that huge of a discount. Just about everything else is, though. You can always go check Yahoo Japan for what recent games sell for used. 6800 yen games generally sell in stores for about 6200 yen + tax. The first wave of used copies will generally go for around 5000 to 5500, and sell for as much as 5800 or 6000 in used game shops.  Of course, if it's something that EVERYONE buys and then sells (Final Fantasy, etc.) then they'll be cheaper, quicker. I assume this holds true in the US though.

    One thing is for certain though, you don't have to worry about condition when buying used... at least at the major shops. Even stuff listed in "not mint" condition are pretty fucking impressive.
     
  17. WanganRunner

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    Exactly, look at places like Up Garage. You can get a totally mint set of $3500 SSR Professors for like a thousand bucks.

    I will take GaijinPunch's word about recent used games though. I found when looking through older stuff that it was much cheaper, at least in the normal stores (i.e. not specialized vintage game stores).

    I bought a NIB Game Boy Camera for 500 Yen, that's less than $5. Retailers in the US would never mark anything that low just on principle.
     
  18. Taucias

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    Sounds like a load of bullshit to me. When I see an official source quoted, then I will believe it.

    It's not something you can enforce. Nintendo and Sega tried it before, and it was supposed to happen on the PS2.
     
  19. Funkstar De Luxe

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    Really? Anyone got some info I can read?
     
  20. GaijinPunch

    GaijinPunch Lemon Party Organizer and Promoter

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    The very far side of the rule is used furniture and cars. People give cars away, no joke. A friend of mine bought a 8-10 year old Toyota SUV, but it only had like 10,000 miles on it. Basically mint condition. He got it for 200,000 yen, w/ registration. It would've costed 4x that at least in the US.

    Furniture? Same thing. Nobody will buy it.

    Used panties though... the line up for miles for.
     
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