WARNING: SCAMMERS TWILIGHT, MELMAC

They are beta, just not super early like you are looking for.

 

just to point out an IMPORTANT thing:

WHEN YOU MAKE COMPARISONS FROM A BETA Vs RETAIL DISK, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE A _FILE_BY_FILE_ CHECK FOR SIZE AND DATA, NOT JUST CHECKING THE RAW SIZE.

if you don't you might even miss anything giving you the clue about differences/any gold in the beta disc.

 

They could be final betas as I've got a number of discs which are the same as the retail versions and on standard CD-R and DVD-R media. A game company sent me a copy of a high profile title on a CD-R and all it had on it was Game Name - Preview Backup and a date...

Although saying that I can see why someone would be annoyed if they bought a beta disc for an amount higher then retail version was new and it's is the same as the retail version and was on a general CD-R / DVD-R with nothing else to show it's authenticity. I mean if the wanted to resell it it would be very hard to convince someone that they hadn't got a CD-R and basically burnt it and wrote GAME - BETA dd/mm/yy GAME COMPANY on it.

Also if someone requests a picture of something for sale then I think the marketplace rules should basically force the seller to supply a picture, so that the buyer can see what they are getting rather then the seller say "I haven't got time but here is the description".

 

There is no way to police sales for items over PM. Also it seems no matter what we do people are still not willing to follow simple rules for the protection of buyers and sellers.

We had the picture limit much higher previously so we put it down to $150 then $100 and now $99. However people just dont respect that and start being abit silly by putting items down by $1 so they somehow think they dont need a picture.

I would much like to see a new version of the sales forums rules but im not sure how members would take it if they had to provide images for selling everything. Also i wish people wouldnt do is remove prices from items after they are sold.

 

Argh! Please NOOOO!!! There are actually some of us around here who do tend to take their time, be picky and avoid sellers / items that are not 100% about! Plus if we make the odd mistake then it comes down to experience and a learning curve. I suspect every single person who visits these boards has been in Twilights position at some point and felt pissed off, yet I don't see it as having been anyone but Twilights own fault. Back down gracefully and shake hands!

The messing around and misunderstanding of one situation shouldn't threaten the ability of others to continue trading / purchasing! :noooo:

 

F*****ck maaan, send the disks back if you dont like them and he will refund you. Thats it!
A beta version of a Game is so long a beta as long the the Game is in produktion.
Sometimes they cange something you will not see what it is.
Sometimes they cange something one day before CD/DVD/ROM produktion starts.
There are many reasons that a beta can be 1:1 to retail.

You bought a Beta, seems like a very late beta very short before prodktion but still a beta.
You dont like that it is not a early Beta with lots of diffferences, but thats not DreamTRs problem. Be happy that he is willing to refund you.

 

Like the fact that there were no bugs or issues or changes needed with the final Beta so it was just moved over to the final?

I have no idea how it works in the real world, but that's just logical and makes sense to me.

 

True, however if I PM seller and ask for a picture and seller says "No, I'm too busy" then I could reply in the sales thread publicly asking for a picture and then the seller could just post a image in the thread for all to see.

Ironically the seller in question of this thread had done this.

Well if they want to sell things they should provide pictures, I think for the majority of sellers most would do so as we are more a community.

Indeed, it's a good reference point. It would be easy to just put sold after it.

 

What do you think I should do? If content of CDs is identical to the final releases. Simply damn the luck and stay calm? If DreamTR's CDs had been cheaper, I would have kept them. But now the price is too high to keep what you don't what to. As you know, the law of a deal tells that a buyer can return a product if he wants to and have his money back (of course if the item is not broken by him, but I didn't use this CDs except checking them, so they are in their top condition). But DreamTR refused to refund my expences and have an item back. So I had to open a dispute.

I've a question for you. When you buy smth, do you buy a package or content? Content of course.

DreamTR, you dont check your CDs, right? And you dont keep it as a secret. So why are you trying to talk about their content. It's not betas! Why tell it? Because I've launched them and saw content with my own eyes. Because I've compared their sizes with the official release's. I'm sure they can be valuable for collector. But they are not what I ASKED for! So why do you refuse to get them back? Why do you keep telling me that they are betas?

I've a question to everyone who bought some betas but got some complete stuff: did you buy the content or the CD? Did you try to return an item? Or you simply fall disappointed and "let be what should be"...

 

Nothing against anyone, but I keep thinking had the seller been someone else and had the buyer been a long-time member, the majority of the people in this thread would be defending the buyer and not the seller.

 

I've purchased a few betas that have turned out to be near final or final but on development media. I've still got them, and not opened any disputes. You need to understand that the term "Beta" doesn't mean "Magical Debug Build With Tons of Cool Shit".

That misunderstanding is your fault, not anybody elses.

The fact of the matter is that you bought an item under assumptions you had set yourself, you aren't happy with it, and now you are trying to blame the seller. You took a risk and you lost, deal with it.

 

Because they are betas, you wanted debug versions which you did not tell me until you physically went through the games.

Also, for the last time, I ALREADY STATED IN THE THREAD TO RETURN THE GAMES TO ME AT MY ADDRESS AND BE DONE WITH THIS DEAL, then I will refund you the money. I stated it already in the thread, so return the items so we can be done with this.

 

No need to shout. I saw that you agree to get CDs back. I'm talking about the past. Why did you refuse to refund and have your discs back? You know that we could finish all our problems without disputs, argues and this discussions.

 

Send the games back to me at my home address and I will refund you. There is no need to discuss this further. I am just not selling anything to you again.

 

I think the only decent thing to do is lock this thread and let it sink!

 

Yes, please lock this. It's already over.

 

If the "beta" disc exactly matches the final retail, then it's not beta. DreamTR might have sold it in good faith believing it to be beta, not knowing it was actually a CDR of a retail disc.

This is the problem with selling CDRs of betas and also the risk of buying said items. Especially when the contents are not checked. The new rules Assembler is proposing make sense after reading this thread.

This issue should not even be on this forum. It should be a private matter between the two parties involved.

 

in any case this have been discussed enough and tha case is closed. As this topic, obviously!