Whats with all the "wii's dead" , etc comments?

Your right I think about the PS2.

Look at the launch?

Armored Core 2
Dead or Alive 2: Hardcore
Dynasty Warriors 2
ESPN International Track & Field
ESPN X Games Snowboarding
Eternal Ring
Evergrace
FantaVision
Gun Griffon Blaze
Kessen
Madden NFL 2001
Midnight Club: Street Racing
Moto GP
NHL 2001
Orphen
Q-Ball Billiards Master
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 2
Real Pool
Ridge Racer V
SSX
Silent Scope
Silpheed: The Lost Planet
Smuggler's Run
Street Fighter EX3
Surfing H30
Summoner
Swing Away Golf
Tekken Tag Tournament
TimeSplitters
Top Gear Daredevil
Unreal Tournament
Wild Wild Racing
X-Squad

I loved SSX, but nothing else was really "quality" here was it....

 

"So, next time that you're thinking of complaining about the Wii, just take a moment and re-think your position if you happen to be a PS3 supporter. "
Directed at me?

Truthfuly PS3 has been shit as well. 360 was shit till gears of war was out. Truthfuly 360 has brought one thing to the console market that I think deserves it self of the praise and that is XBLA. MS has really been a driving force to push the XBLA and if it was not for that it would not be as big of a sucess as it is. It's revived the idea of simple, cheap, fun games that are budget prices with out being budget quality.

Wii again also is shit (imo) and the only first awsome game I think will be Mario Galaxy (Zelda to me was not great, There is no god reason it had to be so freaking late for its BS wii release). MP3 is a good series but I really never liked it (im a 2D metroid fan). The rest has been shit, to quick cash in games, to gamecube ports, to games that are just not as good as previous versions (i'm looking at you warioware).

For me PS3 has been good to me because my taste in games has shifted more twards playstation and it's lack of 3rd party support is really driving sony and it's 1st/2nd party studios to make sure their games are top notch (with lair being a turd exception). As well i never owned a ps2 (used a roommates) so it's nice to catch up on some ps2 software.

 

I know you're a PSP supporter, and an owner of a PS3. I didn't know you were a PS3 supporter in the same way you like the PSP though. =)

The Wii's initial success has naturally brought many shit games. But that's the world of gaming, is it not? Didn't the MegaDrive, NES, SNES , PS1, and all other succesful platforms have a butt-load of generic, rehashed games? (especially the NES)

Nevertheless, there were true star-games born on all those platforms.

The bulk of Wii games are crap, and I don't approve of them in any way. Not because they re simple, but because they re weak efforts - publishers abusing the platform to make a quick buck.

Sales of generic and shallow games are relatively low, even on the Wii. Eventually, as with every platform, those who are interested in making real money will make great games.


So I think it's early for the Wii to have any quality. Till now it was "padding" in anticipation of titles that will really shine.

As evidence to this, Super Mario Galaxy looks like no other Wii game before it. The reason behind this is that the game was developed with the Wii in mind, unlike most games until now. The more we see of those , the better the Wii will be as a choice.

As my friend subbie said, even the 360 was heavily criticized for its lack of games, yet now seems to be praised as the best platform for console games.

Give it time and good things will happen..


That said, I m fully open to Ps3 if it can prove itself. I was really hoping Lair was good actually - because if it was, I d pool some cash and get a PS3 asap. The concept really drew me in.

Unfortunately, I ve been put-off by Sony's decisions and it will take them considerable effort to win me and customers like me.


PS: This i like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayTV#PlayTV

 

The problem the Wii has is that software sales per sold unit is less then the software sales per unit sold of the PS3. Most new people that bought a Wii bought it for (or bought it in Japan) Wii Sports and probably have not bought anything else. The next biggest selling title on the Wii is er Wii play with Zelda a long way behind in 3rd place.

The Nintendo DS as a platform has worked better, the new people buying the unit are buying other titles and in Japan I do see a lot of women and even older women whipping out their DS and playing a brain training title or something like English learning.

 

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter.

 

I totally agree. For some reason alot of people feel they must swear alligance to one platform, and curse and drag through the mud anything else.

Right now my favorite platform is the Xbox 360. But when the Wii matures (price falls/more quality titles) I plan to get one again. Same for the PS3. It's all about wether or not it's worth the money to you. Will you enjoy it enough to justify it for yourself? The 360 certainly has as I've logged alot of playtime. But my Wii didn't, and I didn't feel at the time that any games out were worth 50$ to me. So I sold it. The PS3 I'm still waiting on a bigger price drop or some amazing exclusive. That or if I hear backwards compatibility will be phased out entirely.

 

Why would anyone want the Ps3 to not be backwads compatible...

 

Because it costs the consumers money and it costs Sony time that is better spent elsewhere to implement backwards compatibility that many people don't need. Some people, myself included, just want a game system that plays only one type of game (no CD audio, DVD video, backwards compatibility) like the Gamecube.

Another justification is that a PS2 will always play PS2 games better than a PS3 just as a PS1 will always play PS1 games better than PS2. Besides, in a few years once PS2 is fully discontinued the prices will drop and you will be able to buy a <=$99 fully PS2 compatible PS2.

 

The irony of that is that the ps2 dosent even have 100% compatability with its own games which i find totally bizarre.

 

What I find odd is the constant use of "hardcore gamer" when referring to those who don't like the Wii.

When I was a kid (and actually to this date too) I kinda was under the impression that the "hardcore gamer" was the one who'd jump and hump the leg of pretty much anything.
-Game console w/gamepad? Sure thing!
-PC simulators w/flightstick? Bring it on!
-Arcade game w/Weird Sword Controller? Hell yeah!
-Arcade/Console game w/Lightgun? Keep'em comin'!
-Weirdo shit w/VR Helmet? Awesome, cyber gadgets!
-Weird ass puzzle game w/any controller? Why not!
-Platform game w/shitty graphics? Whatever, load it up!
-Platform game w/awesome graphics, but shitty controls? Hell yeah!
-Portable game on system w/shitty screen refresh rate? Hit me!
-Creepy LCD game from Tiger or Game&Watch series or someone else? Yay, more time killers!
-Weirdo arcade stand that made you jump around like a moron? Been there, done that.
-Weird arcade game w/camera for controls? Hi-score, here I come!
-Racing game w/wheel? Vrooooooom, 320km/h!
...And yeah, guess I'll stop there as I suppose I kinda made the point before even starting the list of random stuff.

A hardcore gamer would be someone who's dedicated to gaming as a whole, seeking new challenges and ways to play games, all the time.
Not some upperclass moron who feels insulted (read: afraid) if he's presented with something he doesn't already know/master.

I wouldn't call someone a hardcore gamer if all they cared about were graphics, a controller scheme that is 1:1 identical to every single entry in their genre of choice and gameplay that is evolving and revolutionizing itself at the speed of mosquito evolution.
If those are to carry the title "hardcore", then their genre/limitation/handicap of choice should be clearly noted in their so called "hardcore" title.

 

I entirely agree with your post. Embracing all types and new types of gaming makes a hardcore gamer. Purists are just afraid they ll lose their edge

 

I entirely agree with your post. Embracing all types and new types of gaming makes a hardcore gamer. Purists are just afraid they ll lose their edge

 

You have it backwards, if I heard they are stopping production of all PS3's that are backwards compatible and no future models will have BC, then that might make me want to buy a PS3 before BC isn't an option.

 

Well, the problem with this analogy is that most of us are not loyal to just one platform and the statistics are showing that most consumers who really like video games are buying two or more consoles in this generation. The people who are bashing the Wii are very often the ones who stood in line to get one last Christmas.

I don't think I would say the Wii is dying, it just sits next to my TV unused 99% of the time and has been sitting there since I got it last year. I feel disappointed by it and I feel disappointed by the fact that Nintendo literally has no standards department to prevent tons of crap third party games from flooding the market. Sure, I was excited about the prospect of playing games like Cooking Mama and Trauma Center, but they kept me interested for around half an hour and I never played them again. Nintendo's first party line-up is just as thin as it has been since the days of the N64. In fact, it's basically the same handful of franchises which while wildly successful, are not exactly interesting to someone who has been playing Nintendo systems since the NES. I want them to innovate and create new franchises like they used to in the old days. I also want them to focus on developing games for older gamers like myself who can appreciate Nintendo's first party quality but who don't want to play the same games as they did when they were 12 years old. Frankly, the fact that the only stuff really worth looking forward to on the system is first party and is scheduled to come out at a rate of one title every 3-4 months might make sense for Nintendo's profit model, but as a gamer it leaves me bored and more likely to spend money on 360 and PS3 games. So, I guess in many ways, the Wii is dead to me.

 

I wish for an all-star Nintendo RPG with even the most lost characters joining-in.

RPG + motion controls hmm...

 

Come on, OOT wasnt just a game - it was INNOVATION. Can you remember when it happened before? Super mario world was. Super Mario Bros. was. Zelda, Metroid - the first ones. OOT changed the way of playing games. But not because it was the first 3d rpg, because back then it was the best and still remains imo.

Sad, but I have to agree.

Maybe the problem of the Wii is that the devers lack intuition for new, intresting games that make a good use of the possibilities offered by the "new" control system that Wii introduced.

 

whoa there cowboy. Wind Waker was in many respects better than any other Zelda around.

 

Perhaps you ment aspects .
Another thing i forgot to consider : i have grown up. I dont like childish games anymore. Im more into intresting, complicated stuff. Not just the hit-and-run stuff...RE4 for example. The only reason i could ever buy a Wii. And the only reason why i always wanted to have a gc?The RE remakes. I would die to have GoW on Wii. As i would die to see Halo on it, but its never going to happen. Ninty is and will remain a console for kids. And with kids i mean < 14. Period.

 

Disapproving of Wind Waker (or pretty much any other non-AAA "targeted at a young audience"-movie license product) 'cause of someone having "grown up" is possibly the least grown up/adult thing I've ever heard.

-Sorry, I'm an adult. I don't do fun!

It can't be the writing/story, as that one is still far better told, better presented and truly more interesting (for pretty much anyone) than what's present in most M+ rated products.

Is it the art style? You somehow associate it with your childhood? What about South Park, Family Guy, Simpsons, American Dad and many other cartoons and their tie-in products? Or graphic novels by people such as Neil Gaiman and Frank Miller?

In overall, I guess it's pretty much like saying that if something has a "3+ Choking Hazards" label on it, it is totally meant for children
(People should go on a hunt for those, it's amazing what you find those warnings on. My favourite is still the Clive Barker/Hellraiser models of people(?) torn apart by chains'n stuff)


And back to the Wii, I'm now gonna look at my own shelf of stuff I've picked up since Euro launch (ignoring Virtual Console, even though a Wii + Sin & Punishment is something every single human being on earth should be buying if they have any care what-so-ever for gaming.)

I see only one bad title there and only one title I would say is not really that entertaining to me (That is you two that I'm looking at, Wii Play and Red Steel).

And I see you mentioned Halo, with the risk of myself getting a little epic speech now, I have to say that the Halo franchise is the most family friendly FPS series that has ever been made.

-Disco Rave Light Weapons: Check
-Extreme Hype at each launch: Check
-Enemies that has Ewokâ„¢ and Gunganâ„¢ behaviour: Check
-Infinite Health System: Check
-Respawn points around every corner: Check
-Extreme (and strong) online community mostly made out of teenagers: Check
-Difficulty curve for the harder difficulties that makes no sense and heavily depends on co-op, where the game just turns into an even more of a cakewalk as you respawn without setback and the starting default equipment suddenly improves with the amount of players has been increased: Check

I think what you're truly seeking, kammedo, is the option that allows you to change the difficulty from Very Easy to something like Normal, possibly even Hard if you're confident in your gaming talents. You'll quickly learn, notice and see that quite a lot of games requires skills that only a child with possible autistic problems could posess at the young age you seem to suggest all games that does not contain beefy arms are made for.
*rant rant rant*
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