XBOX 360 launches in the USA.

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  1. madhatter256

    madhatter256 Illustrious Member

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    I think it will be a while until we get true AI in gaming consoles.

    Right now we will just get "smart" opponents in videogames rather than ones that can think independently, and more realistic graphics and realistic physics, no ragdoll bullshit.
     
  2. rotten03

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    No games? That's unreal. So a guy waits in line to buy a 360 and then look at it next to his tv? Seems like a big mess. Hardware shortages AND no software? Doesn't look so good.
     
  3. sayin999

    sayin999 Officer at Arms

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    i walked into a random walmart today and even though they had no 360s, they had plenty and i mean plenty of games, alot of gamestops had annoyed customers coming in as well.
     
  4. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    seriously, if you compare psx last gen to first gen ps2, it's a big difference.

    Not so evident from xbox to 360. But give them time. I supposed I am too biased towards puzzle/strategy/simulation games to enjoy what came out today. I couldn't find the sega game anywhere.
     
  5. HHogan

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    You're missing out then, Condemned is amazing.
     
  6. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    Oh Jesus don't tell me that!
     
  7. socialdrone

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    'true' AI? im not sure i understand. its incredibly easy to program solid AI into games...the problem is, is getting whoever is developing the game to make the small effort to do it. graphics get pushed hard, AI tends to be more of an after thought. most of time the developer throws in some gimmick and sends out a press release with a tagline like 'Now teh enemy can SMELL your fear'...to cover up for the fact that they neglected a significant part of the game. look at conways game of life, its incredibly simple, and you dont need a 16,000 dallor computer anymore to play it. if only game developers would draw off the same principles, if they would decide that artifical intelligence was just as important as graphics (or important at all) you would have had your independently thinking opponents a long time ago.

    the ragdoll bullshit is an attempt at further realism...so i wouldnt complain too much about that. some games instead of a scripted death animation they might use the ragdoll effect. there is a lot of room for improvement...like a skeletal structure that would provide realistic flexion and extension. but again, the solution takes some thinking and the people making the games couldnt give a fuck less.
     
  8. subbie

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    know what sucks. probably about 1/4-1/3 of the xbox 360 units out on the market are up on ebay.

    it freaking blows!!

    I actualy pulled the money together late this month to hopefuly get my hands on a core unit becaus really. I just want to play ridge racer 6 (i'm a huge fan of the series) durring my xmas holidays. Yet it's anybodys guess if i'll have one at all this xmas. :(

    whats worse is I was stupid enough to forgo trying to win that damn sophia jamma dev kit on ebay a few days ago. **** i should have gone to win (i just kind of quit around $100 since i only had cash for the 360 atm).

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    If i can't get a 360 by december. I'm just going to buy one from japan who wont have that bad of a shortage at all. Not to mention for $450 + shipping I can get a premium pack with the FFXI beta packed in (and thats from a hk import site).
     
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  9. subbie

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    as a comercial programmer I have to tell you that your first stance against AI is total bull shit. If you feel other wise, write a complex AI system in a week and see where you're at. AI is not easy at all and has to take in the most varibles to make anything worth wild.

    Regarding ragdoll. It's seriously come a long f***ing way from the early days. You get less games with characters colapsing in on them selfs. Max payne 2 for instance has some pretty great ragdoll compaired to say rainbow six 3 (Raven shield for pc) which was one of the ealier games to start using rag doll.
     
  10. dhau

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    Dear Microsoft!

    I'll buy 360 for sure, but I want the Halo 3 Special Edition bundle with see-through green plastic box and controller and all the hardware glitches ironed out. Oh, and slash the price to 249.95 US$ please.

    Thank you!
     
  11. Claysion

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    Instead of putting out a new console microsoft should have developed better games first. For every good game available for xbox theres a game equal too or better than on ps2. Also Sony is a way better investment as far as console longevity. How many years were the psx and ps2 on top of the market due to their focus on good games rather than innovations, gimmicks, or graphics. Sony consoles should come with a skull and crossbones on them for every console they helped fail inspite of their performance superiority. N64, sega saturn, sega dreamcast, nintendo gamecube, nintendo ds, many of which were ahead of psx or 2 in their own respects all of which bit the dust. Buying xbox games are like buying bargain brand items at full cost, instead of Final fantasy they have fable, instead of gran turismo they have forza, instead of tekken or soul calibur they have dead or alive. Sorry xbox, maybe if your games werent so bad I wouldnt have 500 dollars sitting in the bank for another 6 months till ps3 comes out.
     
  12. kevster

    kevster Micro Machines World Champ

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    Saturn is better in performance in 2d only. And can you tell me how you can compare the nintendo DS with the psx or ps2, when they aren't directly competiting eachothers?:rolleyes:

    Sorry, but your post sounds fanboyish. Only opinions and no facts.
     
  14. Borman

    Borman Digital Games Curator

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    I was going to say the same thing, how the hell can you mention the DS in that sentence? Even the gamecube turned a decent profit although it sold less.
     
  15. PhreQuencYViii

    PhreQuencYViii Champion of the Forum

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    Xbox had Soul Calibur...(DOA isn't even close to being "bargain" in quality; it was on a lot of systems anyhow..)

    Most PS2 games got special editions on Xbox which were better...and most games are on both systems, always being better on Xbox....Doesn't seem too bad to me...if they were I wouldn't have so many games on Xbox and more on PS2. ;-)

    Nintendo DS? That things selling out PS2 and PSP...how can it be a failure?
     
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  16. sean

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    Actually, nintendo profited the most from this generation, the Nintendo DS is selling more than the PSP currently. I do agree with your first point though, Claysion, Microsoft should have developed better games first. I thought the XBOX held a lot more potential than this generation showed. Furthermore, I thought the last batch of exclusive games showed real polish.
     
  17. PhreQuencYViii

    PhreQuencYViii Champion of the Forum

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    XBOX 360 is definetly lacking in the games department, and so was xbox when it came out, I definetly agree with that, just for the record.
     
  18. cahaz

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    QUOTE]Nintendo DS? That things selling out PS2 and PSP...how can it be a failure?[[/QUOTE]

    you should have added "inspite of their performance superiority ":rolleyes:

    Oh my..! They never focused on anything, apart of making the most complete multimedia entertainement machine for your living room. (1) 3rd party Compagnies are making games, and they're making them for the ps2, because people where going crazy for the ps2, they hyped it so much, saying it could make graphics comparable to what you see in pixar productions, that you would be able to download games, movies and much more (2). That's how they killed the dreamcast, everyone thought that they should wait for the ps2, because it was so greater graphically, and i other technologies (such as internet downloads). That was all Hype of course. But people still gone crazy for the machine. (3) Now what i don't understand is why you seem to think innovation is bad. I really just can't understand. Innovation is what the industry's driven by, in the best world imaginable, of course. Can you explain me your point of view?

    Oh, and (4) another question: Is the Eye Toy And HDD gimmicks, or innovations?
     
  19. PhreQuencYViii

    PhreQuencYViii Champion of the Forum

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    Yeah, PS2 didn't get better then DC graphics for about a year, it's launch games weren't horrible but they didn't have any games that I think people consider kickass today, Dreamcast had stuff like Sonic Adventure and Soul Calibur. The big thing about PS2 going online was to thwart DC's modem, which was usuable almost from the get-go, or at least a few months afterwards. PS2 didn't get online for almost 2 years. PS2 killed it's competiters with hype and the fact that they pulled so many people who wouldn't play games before into it, along with it not competing against anything else for almost a year. I'm not anti PS2 or anything but I'm one of the Dreamcast fans that got screwed by everyone being led around by there nose, which sucks. (IMHO, I don't like most PS2 games, but thats just me, doesn't mean there bad or anything, I'm just picky.)
     
  20. Alien Workshop

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    PS2 focus on good games.... ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA HA! Oh, that's a good one. Keep going, we need some more joke posts around here.
     
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