Xbox 360 XDK boots to 3 red rings every time

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  1. wan5

    wan5 <B>Site Supporter 2014</B>

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    Sucks to have to deal with a noisy machine, i cant stand the noise from phats as is. My buddy always mods his to 12v, i swear one day it will take off.

    Really though, stay away from any extra fans on the outside of the case unless its a desk fan cooling the general area. That console looks really nice, hardly used... id put money on the cpu gunk being dried and crispy aka useless.

    Also, no more towel trick! Pop open the case and remove the power to the fans, if your not comfortable doing that simply remove the fan shroud and let it run something for a few mins. It will power itself down and give 2 red lights. Let it cool, re assembler her and she should be good.

    Fact is though, you need to get that gunk replaced and if that dont fix it, get it reballed. If you want a solid kit that will last, dont use too many quick fixes.
     
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  2. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    as requested sir :) (moving houses in a few days, hence the boxes)

    as you can uh.. CLEARLY see. its not a professional setup here, but its keep her' cold :D

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  3. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    Thanks for the help! :) new thermal paste is definitely my mission, i just need to find my torx screw drivers first :/

    Noise doesn't bother me as i am blasting music at all times, it over powers the fans xD

    Side note guys : this console will VERY rarely be used, as it is just part of the collection haha, i just like looking at it, awesome LED's in the sidecar

    I'm just F***king happy it works, gave me the scare of my life when that screen issue happended
     
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  4. kingkat

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    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! I hope I'm not too late, please never, ever, ever, do any of the repair "tricks" they reduce the value of the console and do more harm than good. Here is my 7s rant:
    You need to accept that there is no magical cheap/free way to permanently repair your horribly designed xbox 360motherboard. The fact that people sell a service of cooking a motherboard then putting on some bolts instead of the xclamps is sickening. There are countless errors that the xbox 360 can throw, I can think of 20 different issues all across the board that could cause 3 rrod. Yes, the most common are caused by the GPU/ the GPU solder balls, but it could also be CPU, Ram, NAND, southbridge, ANA, overheating, cut trace, even the PSU can cause the board to 3 rrod.

    It takes time, research, and a lot of fancy (and expensive) equipment to be able to truly repair such an abomination of hardware. For the classic gen. 1 boards, with 0102, 0110, 0020, etc. the issue should be addressed with a full reball of the CPU, and GPU, this being done using the proper equipment, not a bloody heatgun. An SMC/ BGA rework station (the most expensive ranging from $8,000-11,000) should be used, whether it be hot air (I use a Aoyue 968+) or an expensive IR unit. The goal would be to reach the recommended profile temperature for that motherboard as accurate as possible to set the existing solder balls into complete liquid form before lifting as to prevent a micro fracture in the chip.

    I won\'t get into detail but from what I have said already you should be able to see my point that performing methods such as:

    The towel/ toothpick trick
    The oven trick
    X-Clamp replacement (Can be beneficial if done correctly)
    Thermal paste replacement (Not a solution to anything unless there is extreme overheating, just a good precaution)
    The Penny trick
    Heat gun (the idea behind this is correct, but most people will blast their entire board with far too high of temperatures and melt half the circuitry. If you can control the heat and air speed and measure it with a thermocouple, it will work just the same as a rework station. I have done a full GPU reball using a heat gun instead of my aoyue, it was simply a proof of concept test and should not be applied)

    There are many more, just search \"How to fix xbox 360 RROD in 5 minutes\" on youtube and watch all the 12 year olds destroy their $200 Christmas present

    These methods may allow your console to \"work\" for 12 hours (at most), but they all do sever damage to the motherboard and only instigate the underlying cause.

    There was my super rant /over
     
  5. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    haha i hear ya man, sadly whats been done has been done, the towel trick has brought my console back to life, and that's all i needed :p i stated i wont be using the console much so as long as its able to boot if ever a mate comes over and wants to see the console, they can, besides that it sits in its little spot :) considering getting a glass case for it one day when i can get some cash together, there for it wont be ever used or touched (they way i like it) and will be kept clean for ever!
     
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  6. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    UPDATE: My XDK is still experiencing RAM issues, i have all the tools to open the case, but i'm not gonna just yet, its obvious that there is either a shitty solder job on it, but lets say one of the Ram chips is cactus. is it possible to get that chip professionally swapped? now, i'm not saying a chip has gone bad, but lets just say it has.. regardless.. a reflow doesn't sound to bad since i now know its not the CPU OR GPU, the ram is easy since if you flip the MOBO, the pins are exposed, when i'm ready to take the kit apart, ill use my magnifying glass and try to see if there is any bridging in the solder, or a solder joint/ball is just missing / badly flown on, the issue being ram isn't to be of a burden, as getting it fixed is no where near as hard as reflowing a CPU

    My plans are this : Replace the CPU heatsink with the one in my falcon as its the newer, fatter, better model. Then acquire some RAM heasinks off team xecuter or who ever makes the best, so i can cool those bitches down. all this while adding arctic silver 5 to all chips
     
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  7. XboxSurgeon

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    What issues are you experiencing now?
     
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    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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  9. XboxSurgeon

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    Damn. Thought that bridge had been crossed, at least for a little longer than a week. Sigh, well a reflow would be the next course of action. Tear it down to mobo and send it to someone who is trustworthy. ShawnUnderSe7en has done reflows before and knows his way around an XDK.
     
  10. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    indeed :) ill definitely start looking around!, and i know.. what a bugger this thing is >.> but what can you expect from a zephyr, it was bound to happen haha
     
  11. wan5

    wan5 <B>Site Supporter 2014</B>

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    If you want a replacement Zephyr XDK Motherboard, let me know. Prices might be comparable to a reflow anyway.
     
  12. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    will do! :) PM me prices!
     
  13. XeDK

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    Why not just have it Reballed?
     
  14. kingkat

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    You don't need extra fans, different heatsyncs, RAM heatsyncs (replacement chips, maybe) or anything of the sort. Send the console to Shawnunderse7en and have him reball the CPU, GPU, RAM, and southbridge. It may be a bit costly, but you will for sure have a console that will last you a long ass time.
     
  15. XeDK

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    Error 0110 is almost always the GPU, But i were him i would pay to get it fixed its a Dev Kit.
     
  16. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    0110 is RAM :p
     
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    0110 is often the GPU.
     
  18. ddxcb

    ddxcb Gota J.T.A.G. That Xbone Yo.

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    GPU or the ram next to the GPU

    Reball ALL OF IT...
     
  19. DeCrYpTiC

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    I've never had any problems with memory on a motherboard. Even without heat pads, they run at less than 45 degrees C and are further from the center of the board where warping occurs.

    Does anyone have an explanation for why the ram bga goes bad?
     
  20. Stipo360

    Stipo360 Dead Rising & XDKs

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    UPDATE: Gentlemen, i have taken apart my XDK completly, but left the heatsinks on for now.

    I am going to try the remove fans trick and heat the GPU/CPU trick, but do i need to remove the heat sinks from that aswell? please get back to me on this!! :/ ill have to wait till someone gets back to me as i don't wanna mess up the steps here

    ALSO, to my amazement AND extreme happyness, the CPU AND GPU heatsinks in the kit are xenon model heatsinks!, meaning that's why idle temps were FUCKING high, as soon as i "reflow" the board using the no fans trick, ill take my heatsinks from my falcon and place them in the zephyr!

    That'll cool those fuckers down by 30-40%

    i simply do not have the money for a reball, the price i would pay for shipping and all, i might as well buy a whole new damn board, so this is my first step, i still need to buy arctic silver 5, so until that i cant do shit all..
     
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