Xbox outsold in Japan... by ..PSONE??!!

Discussion in 'Rare and Obscure Gaming' started by ASSEMbler, Jul 23, 2004.

  1. Tachikoma

    Tachikoma Officer at Arms

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    KOTOR:
    Sucks ass, tired generic MMORPG with Star Wars theme.

    Ninja Gaiden:
    No comment

    Steel Battalion:
    Great if you like an outside view the size of a postage stamp, and can afford the huge controller. Oh yeah and dont mind it deleting your save files, if you dont eject before your mech explodes.

    Mech Assault:
    Yet another generic PC Mech clone

    Halo:
    This argument doesnt even hold anymore, it's pants, and that hog/car/Hummer thing is terrible

    Panzer Dragoon:
    Great game

    Metal Slug 3:
    Metal slug, you either love it or hate it

    Splinter Cell:
    Available on all the other formats
     
  2. TheDeathcoaster

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    *points up*

    What Tachikoma said is exactly what I was going to say ^_^
     
  3. cahaz

    cahaz Guardian of the Forum

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    totally agree with you , greatsaintlouis.i don't whant to make a war too , i just say what hapenning with the xbox , imo. the best game for the xbox was halo and still,the pc version is better.
    graphics on't make the console , like microsoft think. remember the old publicity for xbox? ''experience a new graphic experience'' '' this cloud is like a sheep , but on xbox ''its like a cloud'' ''
    the marketing is based on graphics , and that's sad , if xbox where more oriented on games , that could be really one hell of console.
    we all say that playstation made causual players, real gamers know that it's not about graphics , its about gameplay.
    so i think that there's more causual player on xbox than on ps2 . ps2 have more 2d titles than xbox by the way , in america too. the metal slug series are here , kof will begin on ps2 too , vituful joe , phantasy star collection will be here, the street fighter serie and all those .VS staring capcom and other compagy(ies)

    i don't say that xbox is really bad , that i don't whant to touch it or anything else like that, i play it and i enjoy every multiplayer moments on it. xbox live is really cool , but sadly it begin to make gamer pay for files. it's not the xbox that i dislike he more , its miccrosoft. (viva linux btw) and the american titles too, american titles tand to target causual players , because there's alot of cash to pick here.
     
  4. Alien Workshop

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    KOTOR
    Not a MMORPG, you are confused

    Ninja Gaiden
    Great game

    Steel Batallion
    An amazing Mech sim, even if you don't like it you have to admit it

    Mech Assualt
    Game responsable for the serge of on line gaming for XBOX, XBOX Live is the best conlsole on line system to date.

    Halo
    Pants? what is that supposed to mean. Another great game

    Panzer Dragoon
    well what can i say, it was simply amazing

    Metal Slug 3
    Proof that Microsoft will also try to cater to hard core gamers

    Splinter Cell
    Started out on XBOX, is the best on XBOX

    Look, i am not an XBOX fan boy (Gamecube is my faverite of the New consoles), but i really like it a lot. Most of you don't even give the XBOX a chance because it is made by Microsoft, and "they are trying to take over the games idustry". That is the biggest load of BS i have ever heard. :smt011
     
  5. Tachikoma

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    I have given it a chance, yeah its got great graphics on a lot of games, but thats it, a lot of the games are either on another console, or are tired PC clones/conversions. Releasing MS3 isnt catering to the hardcore, its releasing an established franchise that is proven to make money.

    KOTOR:
    Sorry *trying* to be a MMORPG

    Steel Battalion:
    Novelty doesnt make a great game, so it has a fucking huge controller... wow... so it has a "realistic" viewpoint and mechanics... ooh... so it play's like shit... oops

    Halo:
    Pants = Bad

    The graphics were passable when it was released, but are nothing special, they just stuck a reflection map on everything half the time to make things look more complex. Halo 2: the bump mapped everything... ooh big improvement!

    XBOX live? not to sound offensive to anyone who uses it, but its full of 14 year old fanboys who wank off over DOAXBV

    I have to give MS credit, they have made the effort, its just a shame its so half arsed.

    The whole "people hate the XBOX because its American" thing is bullshit, Sega were originally American and they did fine... oh wait...
     
  6. TheDeathcoaster

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    I have given teh X-box a chance more than once....I don't hate it because its by Microsoft either ^_^

    The X-box is just a low spec. PC with annoying controllers to me ^_^ I mean, most of the games I've played are mediocre at best....the graphics aren't even that impressive on the system (but then again, I'm not impressed by the graphics of alot of current games)...its too big Physically (for my own space limitations, that is).

    Oh, and on a side note, Why do so many people like Halo? I really tried to get into the game (PC and X-box versions) but it just played like Goldeneye with flashy graphics to me ^_^ Oh, and veichles.

    And Yeah, the Gamecube is the best of the current consoles in my opinion too :) I just hate Nintendo Europe arsing about with release dates ¬_¬
     
  7. Alien Workshop

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    Firs of all, i did not say anything about people hating it for being American, i said because it was from Microsoft, cahaz even said it right in his post that he did not like Microsoft, so he bashes it. Not once have I mentioned graphics, but you keep bringing it up. I don't like the XBOX because of the graphics, i like it because it has great games.
     
  8. Metal_4evr

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    MS3 on Xbox

    How do you figure that when almost all of the big name 2d games are on PS2?

    Is it not obvious why Microsoft picked up MS3? The only reason they took it was because Sony didn't. Simple end of story. It's not because they support 2d games it's because they could make money that Sony would be missing out on.

    The Xbox controller is not bad except for one flaw, the white and black buttons! Is it now awkward to have them under the 4 main ones? They could have been put ABOVE them, but they decide to put them in one of the most awkward places possible.
     
  9. I guess I should have been more clear on the "XBox is american thing" - I meant that the games are obviously geared for the generic American audience with the substance over style thing, and as a whole exhibit very little of the quirkiness, fun, and gameplay usually found in Japanese games. And before anyone starts in on "Oh, you must be one of those otaku that loves everything about Japan", think about it for a bit. True, it was American companies that started the videogame industry, and they also single-handedly destroyed it until Nintendo came in and revived things. Since then, the gaming industry has been inarguably rules by Japanese companies. I'm not saying that any company not Japanese completely sucks - Free Radical (yes, I know they're British) and Factor 5 immediately come to mind (I'm not talking PC developers, that's a different story), but it just seems to me that most American games lack the ingenuity found in Japanese games, that's all. I've got two words for you: Electronic Arts.

    Other than that, I agree with everything Tachikoma said on the supposed killer apps of the XBox - most of them either aren't that impressive, or can be found on other platforms. I especially agree with Halo - it was good, yes, and had a storyline I enjoyed, but really, it wasn't that phenominal, and I certianly think a better game could have garnered the dubious "Game Of The Year Award" (by whom was this awarded, anyways?).

    As far as Sega's offerings... They were either rehashes of games released on other consoles (Shenmue II), rather pathetic (Sega GT 2002) or got completely overlooked because they were too odd or 'hard' in this day of ridiculously easy, homogenous games (JSRF, PDO, GunValkyrie, etc.) It's a shame that Sega releases these games on the XBox because due to the nature of the average XBox gamer, these gems go overlooked, and those of us who do want to play them don't really care to shell out money for a console that will only be used for 3 or so games.

    I finally must make the point that I don't dislike the XBox because it's made by Microsoft. As big a bunch of gits as they are (and I'm not sure how anyone can say they don't want to control the console industry like the PC industry..), their OS happens to be the easiest and most widely used one out there, as well as their Office suite, and until someone actually makes something better and more accessable, that's where they'll stay - just to quell the idea that I'm one of those "OMG, Micro$oft = sux0rx bcuz their big & own everything EVIL EMPIRE GAAAHHH!" people. (And please, no Linux fanboys - the thing may be more stable, blah blah blah, but it is in no way remotely user friendly, even now, and OpenOffice.org is a miserable thing to work with.)

    And I must go on record as saying that I'm no fan of a controller that looks and feels like a 32X. :smt043
     
  10. Alien Workshop

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    It seems like Nintendomad, A. Snow, and myself are the only ones here that really like the XBOX. That's a shame. :smt011 Oh well. It seems everyone else is to stupid or stubborn to look past all the casual stuff and find the really good games, you can do it with the playstation 2, but not the XBOX.
     
  11. ASSEMbler

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    Xbox proves that a console can survive in the US and other zones with primarily western game development only.

    This would scare me as a Japanese console maker because it
    means that I can have 100% dominance in japan, but lose in the US. And that is where the money is.

    So it's bad for both sides.

    Both microsoft and sony can be 1/2 and have no problem.
    But given microsoft is still losting money, even nearing the end
    of xbox life, it is pretty much a historically proven sign of future
    failure.

    Any fool can be dominant in the market by giving away ther consoles. But it's the one who makes a profit as soon as possible on their console that survives. (nintendo is well aware of this, and you'd be kidding yourself if you think they're losing any money on a GBA SP)

    Microsoft's earning are down, and it's only a matter of time that the money losing hardware of the xbox attracts investor attention.
     
  12. Johnny

    Johnny Gran Turismo Freak and Site Supporter 2013,2015

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    I don't bash the XBOX. I simply don't think it's worth to buy it, at least for me.

    From all the games released or to be released, i would buy something like 10. Some i can remember right now are.

    - Ninja Gaiden
    - Project Gotham Racing
    - Project Gotham Racing 2
    - Out Run 2
    - Panzer Dragoon Orta
    - Forza Motorsport

    Games like Splinter Cell, Halo and Rallisport Challenge i can get for PC...

    It's a great system if you like the games it has avaiable. For me, i prefer the PS2. It has at least 80% of the games i want.

    EDITED: Forgot to mention something. The XBOX MMORPG, True Fantasy Online, was canceled, even for US. After like 3, 4 years of work they cancelled the game. There's a cool article about this on Gamespy, but i forgot where i put the link. (Gonna look for it later)
     
  13. TheDeathcoaster

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    Thats a tad mean...Just my opinion differs from yours is no reason to call me stupid or stubborn ^_^ If I had said "The X-box is the worst console ever and it will never have any good games" I could understand....but I did say "all of the games I've played".
     
  14. Alien Workshop

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    Your right, that was fanboyish of me, and sorry if I made anyone... mad
     
  15. cahaz

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    dead coaster is right , the opinion and need differ from everyone , i don't think anyone here said that the xbox was crap , like i said earlier , i'm hating microsoft , not the xbox ( its different :smt023 ) . its not because capcom or something helse make a game only for xbox make this game bad.

    your excuse are recived , and acepted , comrade!
    :smt023

    we could all say bad things to sony and nintendo too, for sony , cheap machine and only sequel of sequel that are already sequels, nintendo , not enough games and no support froms 2nd and 3rd party compagnies. and i could continue bro ! :smt024

    ;-)
     
  16. Tachikoma

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    I know, I was replying about the anti US and graphic stuff in general, as it has been mentioned before.
     
  17. Well, we've got madhatter and Nintendomad, but I think those two were already that way. :smt043
     
  18. GaijinPunch

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    While it wasn't M$'s intentions, you're missing the best reason to buy an Xbox -- it's a media machine. You can watch all your porn on your TV... the way it was intended!

    A comment on what Assembler said:
    True... it's got about twice as many people as Japan. Japan has way more merchandising though... there's tons of ways to make money in japan off of video games, w/o selling or making video games (if that makes sense).

    I think M$'s major flaw was they let too many people port PC games. Console game players and PC game players don't traditionally cross over too much... they never do in Japan, and I think that scared a lot of Japanese gamers away.
     
  19. Although there are some good Xbox games, as Gaijin Punch says, it's better as a media centre.

    Add a nice new SmartXX/Zenium/Xecuter3 and LCD screen, 250gb HDD and the newest copy of XBMC. And if you're really lazy, get a DVD remote kit an X-ir chip (remote on/off with DVD remote) and remote pad. Replace the ATA cable with a 133 speed one (faster loading of games from HDD) and stick a heat sink on the MCXP chip.

    And then put it in a nice shiny silver case that's smaller and looks nothing like an Xbox. That's what I've done. And its wonderful. :smt023 :smt033

    The Xbox begs to be played with; there's so much potential in it. Just need to get rid off that nasty M$ bios and open it's mind to the real potential.

    Mod chip/Tsop flash = red pill......

    Starting crazy mission to fit one in a NES casing to use as a Linux NES-PC.
     
  20. cahaz

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    seems to be intersting! :-D
    how does all this cost ?


    and do you have a picture of your case?
     
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