XBX360.anyone can say "backups"?

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Barc0de, Apr 14, 2006.

  1. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    Check this out.

    That makes it easier , dont you think? I can hear it comming sooner or later.
     
  2. Borman

    Borman Digital Games Curator

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    I fail to see how that will change anything...
     
  3. smf

    smf mamedev

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    There is supposedly a firmware hack for the dvd drive that allows you to play backups.

    smf
     
  4. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    old news smf.

    Maybe this will let people share downloads like that rip-off horse armor.
     
  5. Sonikku

    Sonikku Gutsy Member

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    Yea, piracy is cool!@

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    Sarcasm.

    If you think it is a rip off, DON'T BUY IT. It's not like its integral to the game or required. It's an option. And it's not like this was Microsoft's call as far as the price, the PC version has the same download for about the same cost, blame Bethesda.

    Besides, such content is locked to the console that purchased it, and even if it weren't it would be simple for MS to compare your HDD's content to what you have purchased, and ban you from LIVE, and that would suck. But its thier right to do if you are freakin' stealing from them.

    The Datel device is pretty much just for moving around saves and such.

    Just because you do not agree with, or can afford the cost of somthing, does NOT give you the right to steal it. I can't afford a Ferrari, but not being able to get one wouldn't be a good exuse to the cops when they arrest me for stealing one.
     
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  6. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    This shit+HDD USB case= all X360 games without load times...and without having to actually pay for them:lol:
     
  7. Mr. Casual

    Mr. Casual Champion of the Forum

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    I heard about the Horse armor being like $4.99. I think that is a rip off cash in. Thats a horrible deal in comparison to the maps you got in Halo 2 for $20.

    I dont think a banning from LIVE! would make ASSEMbler lose any sleep at night, anyway. ;-)
     
  8. mairsil

    mairsil Officer at Arms

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    While I agree with the sentiment, your supporting logic is flawed. Except for the physical media (i.e. floppy disk, CD, DVD), it is impossible for software to be stolen in the eyes of the law. Copyright infringement, contrary to what the RIAA/MPAA idiots would have you believe, is not theft. If it was considered theft, there would be no such thing as copyright infringement for software. If anything, this would be closer to counterfeiting.

    Philosophically, I do not see copyright infringement as theft. With theft, you have a tangible item where the ability to use it has been taken away from one person for the benefit of the thief. When you copy software, the ability to use that software is not taken from the original person.

    A common argument is that of the lost sale, but I do not believe that this holds true either. Theft prevents the item from being sold to another party. However, this is not the case with infringement. Of course, I am excluding the people who resell copied software as that is a whole different legal area.

    I am not trying to start a philosophical debate, I am just tired of hearing the same copyright infringement = theft argument when it is legally not true.
     
  9. Sonikku

    Sonikku Gutsy Member

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    Legality? please. If we were in Philosophy 101 those arguments hold, but this is the real world. The company offers somthing for sale. You aquire it without paying. That is stealing. You can try and reason it in your head all you want but in the end you are recieving a product/service without giving payment to the authors. If that's not theft i'm Bob Dole and i'm selling a bridge in brooklyn.

    And it's $2.00, not $4.99. Guess you wont be geting those 2 $0.99 taco's, darn.

    and Shadowslayer, this has 0 to do with piracy. YOU CANNOT USE THIS TO PUT LIVE GAMES YOU DID NOT PAY FOR ON (they are locked to the console purchased with) NOR CAN YOU COPY RETAIL GAMES TO IT (It would fail the media check, and if you try to alter the media check the file signing hoses you).

    And Assembler: Are you openly promoting piracy? I thought you were better than that. Thats not meant to be an insult I am honestly suprised. I thought this board was more mature than this. Guess I was wrong. Adios.

    Move along.
     
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  10. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    Wait and see..........

    BTW, why you did a link to my CP?
     
  11. Sonikku

    Sonikku Gutsy Member

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    When I copied your name for some reason it copied the whole link to your profile.

    Now i'm gone for real. Carry on gents and have fun.
     
  12. Shadowlayer

    Shadowlayer KEEPIN' I.T. REAL!!

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    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    I WAS being sarcastic.

    There's no legitimate use for that "add on"
     
  14. KaL_YoshiKa

    KaL_YoshiKa Commandent Lurker

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    Couldn't you feasibly trade game saves over the internet with that. So if you're having an impossible time you could download a completed save file?

    Just saying, that's probably a resonable use for the device if it worked.
     
  15. mairsil

    mairsil Officer at Arms

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    Well, all I can say is that US law does not see it as criminal stealing, merely as tortious (civil) copyright infringement. I see it as wrong, you see it as wrong and most of the people here see it as wrong, but it is not "theft" in the eyes of the law.

    And the only legitimate use for the product is for off console storage for movies, music, saves, etc. Of course, I doubt that is all it will be used for.
     
  16. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    Well, "theft" is to misappropriate property belonging to another with the intention to permenantly deprive. That's from the Theft Act in England and Wales- anyway..moving on.

    I can see ASSEMBler's point, if they used the Action Replay to run backups, an HDD conveniently hooking up to a PC makes much more sense in a statistical way (than action replay anyway) to be used in an un-suitable way. I wouldn't be surprised if M$ turned around and released some new updates regarding the files read/writen to the HDD anytime soon, since they can't battle the peripheral head-on legaly.

    That said, just the ability to "study" some of the files of the HDD, such as HDD-located games, (XBOX live arcade ones) is enough to give clever coders an idea about how to fire things up directly from the disk using an exploit or even making a loader.
     
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  17. Taucias

    Taucias Site Supporter 2014,2015

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    I always have a lot of respect for Datel. They have produced some ingenius hardware over the years.
     
  18. WolverineDK

    WolverineDK music lover

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    Hmmmm if I get a copy of the internet of a piece of software, and uses a keygen, to register it. Then it is theft in their eyes.
    But to me ? it is piracy, but not commercial piracy. If it was commercial piracy, then it would be if I sold the program with the Keygen . And NO ASSEMbler is not promoting piracy.
     
  19. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    Has anyone here with a 360 played around with the firmware thing by the way? I saw a video and it looked quite real. It's really interesting how individuals will always find a way to go against the grain (bad religion pun intended) . Not a stance on piracy, but bravo to those thinking brains.
     
  20. gomba

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    You need some quite complex hardware at the mo if your gonna do anything to your firmware, but it looks like it will surface as the new 'chip' soon and considering that you still can't run unsigned code it will just be for piracy. It'll be funny if MS blocked it with one update :)
     
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