フレームマイスター Framemister Xrgb mini/ English firmware/39000 yen shipped

I understand your concern. On paper there is input lag but it's so tinny that even a hardcore Virtua Fighter player or a hard core Cave shoot'em up player wouldn't notice. That's how small it is. You won't feel and difference in gameplay from using your console on a normal CRT or on a HD TV via the Framemeister. This is why people say there is no input lag, because they can't tell it's there. I'm sure everyone will agree with me on this.

 

That's because I still use a CRT^^ but who knows for how many more years (or days) that thing will last..hehe.

 

Japanese peeps tend to write down EVERYTHING into their spec/data sheets, if it's even so minor or irrelevant and which may only cause confusion.

 

I'm so happy by this, seriously. Reading forums about this point make me doubt a bit, that's why I wanted to have player feedbacks.
I'm actually moving into an apartment that's why the retrogamer I am is concerned by flat TV.
Count on me to buy one by the end of this year, time to pay bills from works inside appartment and future flat TV.
Thanks again and sorry for my English. ;-)

 

It only makes sense that by adding a 'man-in-the-middle' device there will be /some/ kind of delay, but I personally can't perceive any such delay versus playing my consoles directly on a CRT. I haven't heard of anyone that /has/ perceived such a delay while using the XRGB mini either.

 

no problem. Like Tatsujin mentioned. Japanese write down the most minute detales that make people confussed. But sure, there is lag but like I mentioned it's so small nobody can notice.

 

Framemeisters are still for sale Just a little bump so every ones knows.

 

frame meister @home

 

just a heads up to let people know I still have some Framemeister XRGB-Minis in stock. 39800 yen with EMS shipping, insurance and tracking included.

 

Mine didn't arrive w/batteries, please EMS 2 AA batteries to me

 

This is a great point that I usually mention when i hear people talk about zero latency gameplay- everything- adds delay.. that can be internal video conversion in a system, output filters, the length of cable (generally unimportant considering that the signals travel at close to the speed of light), input electronics and sensing in any modern tv, actual format conversion (analog to digital, or even digital to digital) .. the bigger issue is how much is acceptable- and in general, honestly a lot is - there is no such thing as zero delay, but rather the lack of perception of a delayed response, and given that we actually have a far larger delay between seeing something on the screen and pressing a button, in general, you can get away with a lot

all that said, the xrgb mini appears to induce very little delay, but many tv's are going to be a bigger problem than it is given the shoddy hdmi conversion electronics (let's not even get into analog conversion) that happens in many lower-cost, and even name-brand hdmi capable displays.

 

From my understanding, the thing with input lag/delay is that it is divisible into "frame delay", which is the only relevant delay from the gamer's perspective. You could add a little delay in the chain and maybe it wont change the actual frame delay so in practice you have not added any delay at all. But then in a different setup maybe the same little additional delay would be enough to delay all the action by one frame, then you may get a perceptible effect.

Lets assume a typical refresh rate of 60hz. This means every frame is 16.6 ms in duration.
My impression from what ive read in discussions about ShmupMame optimization is that the very fastest setups will still have at least one or two frame delay. That would be Say your typical arcade board connected to a RGB CRT.

In other words, you press a button and the action is not shown in the frame being drawn, and probably still wont be in the next frame but should be in the following frame. Lets say you add up 3 ms delay from a device like a scaler. Maybe you will still get the same 2 frame delay because there was some margin. But if the system was already on the verge of going from 2 frame delay to 3 frame delay, maybe adding this small 3 ms delay will be enough to cause a perceptible lag!

That is my understanding of the system. I do not know however how this applies with 60hz sources connected to the newer >60hz tvs.

 

Updated 7th October 2013

NEW LOWER PRICE!!!

I'm selling Framemeisters for 38'800 yen (EMS shipping to the US, Europe and Australia included). Takes about 4 days to 1 week to arrive at your home.

BULK BUYERS WELCOME!
Buy 8 XRGBmini Famemeisters and get one FREE!!! = 310'400 yen. EMS insured shipping included!


For sale brand new Micomsoft mini-XRGB Framemeister upscan converters all with the latest 1.8 firmware and in English (if requested).

The Framemesiter is the golden crown of upscan converters made for games and gamers. You want full scan lines from your Retro Consoles on your HD TV via HDMI? You got it with this fantastic bit of kit. And best of all, the Framemeister has an English GUI.



If you are interested in a unit then please let me know via PM. Serious buyers only I'm afraid. I can't hold on to one for a few weeks while you get the funds together. Sorry.

Payments via Paypal in yen please.

Here's a few pictures of my XRGB-mini Framemeister in action.





The Framemeister is very easy to set up. The default settings out of the box should suit most people.









Here's a Retro Core special that I made on the Framemeister.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLzTRJGBVYk

 

Nice price reduction

I've managed to free up my PC Monitor a Dell 2007FPb for retrogaming. It has VGA/DVI/SVIDEO and COMPOSITE ins, a native resolution of 1600x1200 and I can move it portrait for some Ikaruga goodness on the DC, so right now I can play most of my systems with reasonable (questionable?) quality.

Couple of questions for you and the good people of this forum:

- Does the FrameMeister supports 1600x1200 over DVI?
- How do I get audio out from the device if I got HDMI to DVI?
- I guess audio only comes out from HDMI?

Thank you in advance!!!

 

It sure does. You can go all the way to 1920x1200 at 60Htz

Ah, very good question. I guess you'd have to take the audio direct from the input device and then in to an amp or something. The framemeister has two audio inputs on the back and front but no output unless the ones on the back are two way. I'd need to check the menu settings to confirm this.

I think this is true. As mentioned above I'll check the menu settings to see if it's possible to output audio via the phonos on the back.

Thank you in advance!!![/QUOTE]

 

Ok I have one question. What is the sd card for?

Edit: I just watched the video again and saw it was for the firmware.

 

It is for updating the firmware

 

Thank you sir!!! I bought some nice speakers with RCAs in. I guess, for systems with composite and D terminal (PSX) it's easy ie just plug audio RCAs into the speakers.For scart based RGB system (most of my systems) I guess I could hack each of the cables to get audio out but most of them are nice official RGB cable let me know what the manual says

 

Is there any hope for a future firmware release that will solve the issue of delay for games that change resolutions in-game (progressive to interlace)?

Also, anyone here using the Framemeister with an N64? Most people seem to only use the Framemeister for playing SNES, Genesis, Saturn, Neo Geo, etc. I don't think I plan to mod my N64 for RGB, but would be curious to know how it'd handle an s-video signal. Thanks.

 

All up-scan converters have the delay issue with games that change resolution so I doubt the Framemeister will be the first not to. It would be good if the can fix the issue but I don't think they will or can.