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フレームマイスター Framemister Xrgb mini/ English firmware/39000 yen shipped

Discussion in 'The ASSEMblergames Marketplace' started by Yakumo, Feb 7, 2013.

  1. Lum

    Lum Officer at Arms

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    A decent CRT will look better for low-resolution modes. SDTVs don't support 480p though.

    To us Americans anyway, XRGB has far better compatibility. Most of our CRTs lack PAL.
     
  2. davidthomas

    davidthomas Site Supporter 2013,2014

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    Everything looks way better thru the XRGB mini! I even use it for my XBOX that is 1080i and it upscales it to 1080p. But I find it looks a little better if I put the XBOX in 720p into the XRGB.

    Also now the XRGB can handle the 3100khz in the RGB port so i can upscale my Dreamcast from the VGA (480p) and it looks great! I built a sync combiner since the RGB port still only handles the single sync and VGA has dual sync lines. But the better the source is the better the XRGB can process it. I will upload a picture of my RGB input cable a little later. It handles Scart, Jap21 and VGA. I also have a Lm1881 for C-sync but I really do not need to use it ever. The XRGB handles every kind of sync I throw at it. I have not tried luma as sync yet but I think it will do that also.
     
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  3. Yakumo

    Yakumo Pillar of the Community *****

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    I've not I'm afraid. I don't have a CRT any more. I don't think it's possible anyway since the Framemeister only has HDMI out and I've never seen a CRT with HDMI.

    The Recommended Retail Price for the Framemeister is 36800 yen as listed on Micomsoft's homepage - http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb-mini.htm So yes, they are cheaper but only by 200 yen which is pretty much the price of a bottle of 500ml Coke over here :) i can do them for 37'000 shipped with the latest English Firmware plus 6 month warranty which you won't get in Japan because you don't live here :(
     
  4. alimadhi

    alimadhi Site Supporter 2014, 2015.

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    I have received the FRAMEMEISTER today. In Iraq we use 220V and the adapter AC100V to DC5V 2.3A :D so I have adapter AC220V to DC5V 2A I use it on the FRAMEMEISTER it works fine like 10 mint and i turn power off for sure no damage if i used 2A instead of 2.3 longer time in future so my question keep the adapter with 2A or get another adapter +2.3A ?



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  5. Yakumo

    Yakumo Pillar of the Community *****

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    More Amps isn't a problem but less Amps will be. Basically, the Framemeister will only take enough amps that it needs but if the power adapter you are using doesn't have enough amps then the Framemeister will either not work or get damaged.

    To run a Framemeister you need to use 5Volts 2.3Amps or more. 5 Volts 3 Amps should be fine.

    By the way, I'm glad to hear that the Framemeister made it OK to Iraq. thanks again for buying from me.
     
  6. alimadhi

    alimadhi Site Supporter 2014, 2015.

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    Thank you so much I'm so happy
     
  7. keropi

    keropi Familiar Face

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    Although I doubt that the framemeister will even need 2.3A you don't experiment with such an expensive toy :D
    Had the same problem with the PSU, we use 220v here as well, too bad Micomsoft cheaped out some pennies so the psu is a universal 100-220v one :\
    Just find a quality psu alimadhi , I have noticed that cheap ones send buzzing to the framemeister and you can actually hear it when it is working.
     
  8. Trenton_net

    Trenton_net AKA SUPERCOM32

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    I just wanted to chime in to say that this is a very good product. Don't get me wrong, you will have to spend your fair share to get one, but you will not have buyers remorse. If your on the fence about buying from Yakumo you should probably consider it.

    @Framemeister owners: Does anyone know if the Framemeister has any inherent performance issues with Component sources? Or was what I was hearing only specific to the PS2 itself?

    New owner Pro-Tip: If you change the output resolution to anything your display does not support, you can review your instruction manual for a table of the menu layout. This will allow you to navigate your Framemeister menu's "blind" so you can do a reset to get it back to factory defaults. There is a safety button on your remote which claims to have this same effect, but I was never able to get it working. Probably because the display I had doesn't like 480p sources?
     
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  9. Yakumo

    Yakumo Pillar of the Community *****

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    I use my PS2 via Component (D-Terminal) and have no issues at all with it. In fact 480p stuff looks better than the Dreamcast does since that seems to give a slight shimmering look to the image when outputting 480p over RGB. What issues did you hear about? I could check them out for you.

    I've ran low and high (480p) games on my PS2 via Component without any problems at all.
     
  10. Trenton_net

    Trenton_net AKA SUPERCOM32

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    "With the current firmware there's a bug with processing a 480p component signal from a PS2. There's a chroma-shift in the red color channel, which causes all reds to shift a few pixels to the left (compared to the luma channel) - this blurs the picture a bit. " - http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/framemeister.html

    Since it mentions firmware, it's fair to say this issue might have been already fixed in the later firmwares. However, since I'm a new owner, I don't have enough knowledge on the subject as I'm still learning about things.
     
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  11. Yakumo

    Yakumo Pillar of the Community *****

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    Hmm, interesting. I didn't get a PS2 until after my Framemeister so the issue may have been fixed by the time I tried a PS2. All I know is that my PS2 looks fine.
     
  12. VGPBuckA51

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    Running games consoles in 720p is always preferable to 1080i. I still wouldn't bother though, the mini's upscaling of 720p isn't really any better than 90% of TVs can do, plus you get another 20ms of input lag.

    Remember the chroma shift only affects 480p games and only through component. I'm not sure if it's been fixed in later firmwares, I'll find out.
     
  13. Yakumo

    Yakumo Pillar of the Community *****

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    I'm sorry but that's not true. No TV can upscale a 240p console to 720p better than a Framemeister. Ask any single person who has bought one and they'll tell you that.
     
  14. darcagn

    darcagn Site Supporter 2013, Site Supporter 2014

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    He said 720p to 1080p, not 240p to 720p. Most televisions upscale 480p and 720p content just fine with very minimal lag, it is the 240p/480i content they have trouble with, because they use a "one size fits all" scaling algorithm for 240p/480i content that often includes deinterlacing when not necessary, and with a high latency processor. Upscaling with a Framemeister may not really increase quality and may just introduce more lag into the video chain if you use it for upscaling of 480p/720p content.
     
  15. Lum

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    Maybe but who wants to switch cables? It wasn't until Xbox 360 that 480p and greater was at last mandatory for a game to release. Xbox and Wii have some non-480p content.
     
  16. darcagn

    darcagn Site Supporter 2013, Site Supporter 2014

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    I didn't say to absolutely not do it, just that you might be making your HT/AV setup worse with the Framemeister in those HD modes. Nothing wrong with informing people about the pros and cons of the product vs. their TV set

    Edit: I even use it for everything gaming, even my Wii U (although I use it in HDMI passthrough mode, so the Framemeister isn't touching the signal). I do that so I can just hook my elgato Game Capture HD to Framemeister permanently and livestream no matter what console I am playing
     
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  17. VGPBuckA51

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    Thanks Darcagn for clearing all that up for me :)

    Also, I don't use the passthrough mode, but wasn't there some mention on Shmups forum that it did affect the signal passed through it? (ie it wasn't a true passthrough at all?)
     
  18. darcagn

    darcagn Site Supporter 2013, Site Supporter 2014

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    You're right, now that I think about it, since the menu can be opened and manipulated while in passthrough mode, it can't be a true 100% passthrough.
     
  19. VGPBuckA51

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    Well, my Sony AV receiver overlays a menu onto the signal but I checked it with the Leo Bodnar lag tester and it adds zero lag, so don't assume just because you can see the menu that it's doing much to the signal.

    I'll dig out my lag tester and check the FM passthrough mode.
     
  20. Stardragon

    Stardragon <B>Site Supporter 2013</B><BR><B>Site Supporter 20

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    Thanks, that would be quite interesting.
     
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