HDTVs and 4:3 border burn-in

Na, Burn In is possible, even on some of the most modern sets today, but most TVs just do a decent job of fighting it. And some people seem to have terrible luck, no burn in on my plasma over years, and yet there are people who get it within weeks (And no, the "burn-in" period has nothing to do with actual burn-in...)

 

So basically, if I was looking for a Samsung TV, I should take a model that ends with S?

Thanks for the tip!

 

Model number is all the same on the box, its on the label on the actual TV.

Basically its pot luck, unless you can see the actual TV you are buying in person.

http://www.digitalversus.com/panel-switching-samsung-tvs-we-know-so-far-n15170.html

Scroll down for the S A C, seems its changed a little in the newer ones, but still following a very similar pattern.

 

It's a shame that both Toshiba and Sharp only sell entry level models around here. Worse, they even sell "exclusive" models for latin america = garbage.

Anyway, what i have noticed is that after the whole 3D and Smartvs stuff, image quality hasn't been the main concern of eletronics companies. Call me crazy, but i saw recent TVs with 240Hz or higher panels, with tons of contrast ration, and the image isn't as good as my 2009 TV. Plus, mostly "LED" Tvs have clouding and backlight bleed that kills any dark image.

Another thing. My TV has 4 HDMI and 2 component inputs. You're lucky to find one with 3 HDMI and 1 component input these days (at least down here).

Mine is SQ01.

According to that site
Version "S" panels: SQ01, SQ02, SQ03, SQ04, SS01, SS02, SS03, SS04 and SX03 are made by Samsung

But even then, different panels from the same series can also show variation. For instance, panels SQ01 and SQ02 are both PVA panels with an extended gamut (92% of the NTSC colour space) and 10 bit colour, while panels SS03 and SS04 have a standard gamut (72% of NTSC) and 8 bits.

 

Sounds like you got the nice one then!

 

I've been pleased with it's quality ever since i bought it, and yes, it's nice too know it's got one of the best panels of the time it was manufactured.

 

Burn-in is possible of course, but it got nothing to do with black borders. I have more than a few hundreds of 16:9 monitors or TVs displaying pictures smaller than full screen, 4:3 etc. Some of them working 24/7 for more than 5 years and no signs of any burn-in, except for one plasma display that got connected to crashed computer for about a month and there's NO SIGNAL in the middle of the screen, and one LCD panel which really got some burn-in issues - from bright static text on the black.

 

Im glad that you had such good fortune with toshiba. I pretty much got told to fuck off every time i called them. I do tend to have bad luck with electronics it seems.

 

Just to touch on what Johnny mentioned about input ports on TVs. They are quite stingy these days. My Toshiba has 4HDMI, 4Composite, 2 Svideo, 3 component (D-Terminal). 2 USB, 3 Lan inputs and 2Optical audio outs. That is one hell of a selection but it was at the time the high end model. My much newer Sharp in the living room doesnt even have half of what the Toshiba has. It doeshave a VGA in though which the Toshiba dosent.

 

Why wouldn't it have anything to do with the black borders? The sides of my TV were darker than the center, and the damaged sides lined up perfectly with when the TV is in 4:3 mode. If the Fox News logo has the potential to damage the screen after long periods of time, why wouldn't two massive black bars do the same? (I had the TV for slightly less than a year, I'd say the ratio of widescreen/non-widescreen use was about 70/30 and it still happened.)

I may not be the smartest guy around, but I'm certainly not an idiot. The damage was definitely caused by 4:3 black borders, there's no mistaking it. And if it happened to me then I know it happened to others. I tried for months to remove it but it never went away, so it wasn't just a temporary issue either.

 

I'd have to say you were very unlucky to get screen burn after such a short time. Your TV must have had some really shitty panel in it for it to happen that fast.

My Sharp TV in the living room gives an option for grey, or black boarders. I wonder if this would have any changing effect? Actually, the screen is also different than the Toshiba. The Toshiba is black and glossy with a hard finish while the Sharp is slightly grey and has a soft finish. You can actually push the screen and see the rainbow effects on the image. Needless to say I never clean that screen while the TV is on. I'm afraid of damaging it. Saying that, my son plays his Wii on that TV as well as a lot of SFC emulation in 4:3. He always leaves the system on pause too with the TV still on. Longest so far was 2 hours but thankfully the screen was safe.

 

Yeah, it probably did. Shame too, the picture quality was really nice considering the price I paid for it.

But now I'm reluctant to get any HDTV for fear of it being built with crap parts. Generally speaking, how much is it for a nice HDTV over in Japan?

 

Hmm, as long as you go for the older model you can get a really nice 50 inch for about 90'000 yen. That's about 931 USD. A new model would probably cost twice that though. Once a new model is released the price drops fast. I don't know if 931 USD is cheap in the US but for us in Japan it's a good price for a high end 50 inch set. My Toshiba was only 72'000 yen (744 USD) because it was an ex-display model (just shows how good the panel is) although out of reach of customers fingers

 

This is the new version of my TV. It's 2 years newer than mine but just check out the price for this 47 inch.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/TOSHIBA-REG...&qid=1370582946&sr=1-8&keywords=toshiba+regza

378,000 yen. That's almost 4000 USD. That's why the smart people buy the model before because you can save a shit load of cash that way plus some stores like the big chain, Yamada Denki will allow a bit of bartering too.

 

Because you cant burn in black...

If anything, the middle of the screen has been used more and "burned in" and the sides will not have - hence the difference.

While the end result is the same, its not being described correctly.

 

Also, Panasonic VT65 range. Enough said.

Toshibas arent very good, check avforums reviews.

 

i have a panny GT50 and love it

 

To be honest I think I got lucky, the laptop was from a catalog however Toshiba were adamant that it was DOA and even rang the catalog company them selves to tell them that they had to replace the unit. Unfortunately that laptop died after a few years (although it was probably my fault for using a dieing battery and frying the motherboard), however we've had three Toshiba laptops now between us and I've never been unhappy with them. Toshiba do cut back on some parts but they have some great budget units with decent specs for low prices, replace the HDD for a faster one and add some more RAM and this laptop would be pretty beast for a really low price.

 

That's impressive. Here's my TV input layout. Sadly S-Video is always canned down here.

 

A friend of mine had a CRT with component, sadly never got to try it with a Wii before it got thrown to the junk.