How long do you think the government shut down will last?

So what you're saying is. A lot of people are pissed off because there's an increase in national expenditure to cover what some states want and some states don't?

If I've understood it correctly it seems bizarre to me. Our taxes here in the UK are high, mostly to cover the cost of the NHS, but nobody seems to mind at all. Even if I never get sick and never use it, it doesn't bother me that I've paid huge amounts of money into the healthcare system because I know it'll benefit someone somewhere or maybe a family member.

I find the whole private insurance and capitalist view on healthcare weird. Healthcare should be a basic human right, in the US it just seems like a huge business and everyone is fighting for a piece of the pie just in different ways.

 

This works... when healthcare in the first place isn't retardedly expensive. A basic heart medication (i forget the name) costs £6, in the US it's over $100.

 

That's only part of it. The main reason people are pissed is because it's being shoved down their throats and they had no part in crafting it. Why wouldn't you put every strategy into effect to stop what you believe to be a train wreck of a plan?

Awesome good for you guys in the UK. If you have a system that is working and every one is happy with and the 14% of people that pay for more then half of taxes continue to be fine with it then that should continue to work. Your government is serving you well.

I find it odd that anyone could believe that healthcare is a basic human right. But that's the brilliant thing about being able to do it the way you want in your state and for me to do it the way I want in my state.

 

Ok maybe not a basic human right, but I don't believe it should be priced out of reach of ordinary folk. Not everyone who isn't rich is a failure or hasn't worked hard, some people end up less well off due to a huge range of circumstances be it environmental or social. I'm just not in agreement with this whole capitalist attitude towards healthcare whereby if you weren't born with the skill, intelligence or circumstances which allow you to pay for heart surgery then it becomes a case of fuck you you're gonna die.

 

I agree that we don't want people dieing on the street because they can't afford heart surgery. I'm all for helping those that NEED help because of circumstances beyond their control. However I do think people need to be responsible for their own actions (including those actions that impact their health) Getting their is tough though.

 

Health care should be a fundamental human right, isn't that why you pay taxes in the first place? I mean, if we broke down the costs and compiled a list of where your money goes, I would have thought health care would be first then, you know, roads, second... that kind of thing.

It's easy to say "if you don't deserve it then die" but then imagine someone who has just had a life of plain old bad luck thrown at them... I suspect you'd think differently.

...and there are lots of people who have had it rough through no fault of their own.

Still, you can lead a horse to water...

 

All health care, Vital Health care? If it's a human right then should doctors be forced to perform? Human Right get's tossed around so much that it's ridiculous (and applied to ridiculous things) As far as taxes go the idea was that we paid taxes to do the things that you can't do on your own. Roads is a great example of this. The Military is also another good example.

I don't know any one that says "if you don't deserve it then die". Yes shit happens and it all depends on how you react to it. Things happen and there should be safety nets for that sort of thing. However I don't want to pay for your diabetes when it's you that have eaten so badly through your life that your body finally has problems with sugar. In America we like to have all these "rights" but don't like to deal with the consequences that's the main beef.

But as I said if that's the system you want to put in place go for it just don't shove it down my throat.

 

While in Spain we (the citizens) are fighting against a government who is trying to impose us a system like the American, the USA citizens are fighting against a goverment who is trying to impose an European-like one.

And that being said, European health care systems are the best health care systems in the world, being France, Italy and Spain on the top ten while having 40 million inhabitants or more. And with all the incredible wealth the USA has, it's health care system ranks on the 38th place, close to Cuba, a country with an income several million times smaller than the USA. Being the richest country of the world, having a health system that performs as the one of the poorest countries of the world, and moreover, not wanting to make it better and getting to this situation because of it is, in my opinion, pathetic.

PD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems

 

European Health Care systems are the best in the world as measured by standards for European Health care systems. It makes sense that America would not score as high when being graded on what Europeans consider good health care (Health care equality vs health care quality). When People get sick in Europe or Canada and can't be treated their or can't be treated in time. They come here.

 

i acctually work part time volunteer at johns hopkins as a data manager and MRI deliniator on brain scans for a study on spino cerebella ataxia and i can vouch for that