I stopped eating meat.

Lots of Vitamin C in a piece of meat.. the human body was designed mainly to eat a vegetarian diet, in human history most of the world has survived on a vegetarian diet.

Animals that eat meat tend to eat it raw and it's a little known fact that a number of wild animals won't eat meat that isn't raw, for example a lion won't eat cooked meat.

Not really it's just a case of making sure you know what you eat. For example a Sandwich spread thicky with some pure peanut butter (that's peanut butter made with peanuts and nothing else, no oil, sugar, salt and other crap they put in American peanut butter, you can get this at a good health food shop) has far more protein in it then a hamburger does... I can get the same protein an average person has just by choosing the right things to eat during the day.

The richest foods for protien are non meat based too. Most nuts, legumes and seeds have higher ammounts of proteins then meat does. Soya, oat and rice milk also tends to have lots of calcium too. :thumbsup: My favourite drink in Taiwan was brown rice milk, a blend of rice milk and peanuts which had a higher amount of protein and calcium then a milkshake and a burger did but still had much less calories.

Eggs are a great one for vegans as Chickens lay eggs anyway, so if the chicken is free range and has no chance of being killed for it's meat do you eat them? They are a great source of protein and a lot of amino acids.

Milk on the other hand is a bit tricky as cows only produce milk when they are pregnant, and commercially they are either made pregnant using drugs and/or the calf tends to be killed after birth. Although again if the cow was free range and wasn't going to be killed, then you could have that too again milk is good source of protein and yogurts are good for the body too.

Cheese can contain renet which is made from the stomach of a calf, so soft or veggies cheeses could again be seen as being okay if again came from a happy cow...

Most people who decide to become vegan do so without thinking about how they are going to get half the things their bodies need, so they might lack calcium, protein, amino acids, certain vitamins and minerals. A lot of vegetarians I know tended to go into it and eat the same things over and over again... The concept of Balanced Diet seems alien to them. They also tended to still drink thinks like Coke and ate sweets and crisps/chips...

The other thing too many vegans do is to think fats = bad and then have a low fat diet which in turn tends to make them weak and sick... Although hydrogenerated and trans fat are bad, natural fats including saturated and poly unsaturated fats are good. Coconut and Avacados are very high in saturated fats but they are good fats and should form part of your diet.

The other problem, especially with Women is that they tend to only eat a few large meals a day. It's best to eat large breakfast, small lunch and medium dinner and to have small snacks during the day.

It depends on the person, I see bacon as a dead pig so I don't really care about it, although most of my friends tend not to be assholes and wouldn't do that to wind me up.

In beer especially keg beers there is a thing called isinglass, a subtance taken from cod or sturgeon bladders which is use to filter the yeast particles from the beer.

A beer I do love as it doesn't contain isinglass is Coopers Pale Ale, probably Australias best beer. :thumbsup:

Each to their own, I personally don't like the smell of leather, although annoying lots of Jeans do have patchs of leather on them for the logo. My shoes probably created more CO2 then a pair of leather ones would have. I tend to use a lot of hemp based products for which leather would normally be used, so wallet, belt, shoes, etc.

The stuff you make up yes, however most instant jellies that you can buy in the supermarket then to be pectin based (comes from fruit, used in low pectin based fruit jams) and are generally safe for vegans...

There are lots of things in everyday life that are veggie or vegan friendly. The trick is to know what might have animal based things in the first place and not to worry about eating something that might have an animal ingredent in it anyway (for example eating ramen in a Japanese resturant...)

Militant vegans should be strung up and shot, but as a lifestyle choice it generally tends not to be as bad as people make out.

Now I am off to eat my nice balanced breakfast of brown rice ; natto ; miso soup with daikon, carrots, potatos, spring onion and tofu; some pickles; half a block of marinated tofu, lightly deep frieds in olive oil; a cup of oats and dried fruit with some coconut milk and have a nice cup of genmaicha to go with it.

 

I was a vegetarian for a year. This was my reaction if I made an "oops". I didn't shove being vegetarian down peoples throats. I just did it. I'm like that with alot of things though.

I'm an Atheist, I won't tell you you're wrong if you don't tell me I'm wrong

I'm pro gay marriage, I'm pro gun rights, pro abortion, pro death penalty.

I firmly believe in these things, however - you're open to your own provided you don't try to knock me down a peg because of what I believe or do.

 

Most humans diet were omnivore up until... oh today... a lot of cultures couldn't survive without meat, take the people in extreme north/south polar regions. Their only source of vitamin C is from things like seal blubber.

Of course animals eat it raw, when was the last time you saw a lion firing up his BBQ?

Things like peanuts are higher in lipid content than most meats, also peanuts weren't globally available for god knows how long, hence people eating meat.

How do you define a happy cow?

I'm off to have a couple of sausages and an egg in a roll, covered in brown sauce. Wouldn't mind a Genmaicha to wash it down with though.

 

I highly agree with you Tachikoma.

Humans are biologically adapted to be omnivorous.

 

This thread is on its fourth page about not eating meat? Jamtex has a text wall? Nice!

Goes to show a simple topic can be discussed in depth.

 

sorry to interrupt..

protein isn't a catch-all word.

Proteins are made of amino-acids. The body needs amino-acids it doesn't produce internally from outside sources.

The amount and quality of these components has little connection with the amount of protein found in a given meal. Also, different types of protein have different rates of absorption.


For example, you can eat all the soya beans you want, its quality is however is sub par to that of Whey protein.

Homo Sapiens as a species were never vegetarian, our brains evolved to the current size thanks to the plentifulness of protein that was consumed compared to other hominids.

There is no way in hell that 1 kigr of soy can equal the absorbed amount of protein found in 1Kgr of red meat, or any meat for that matter.

I m speaking from experience here, since I ve been on a gym-diet for the last 6-7 years, it's a way of life. While in the UK I lived on egg-whites for 4 years and I was body-building at the same time. I had about 4 boiled egg whites solo with every meal.

 

I respect people who choose to be vegan or vegatarian but I don't agree with some of them who say it is cruel what we do to animals. Animals eat other animals as well, it's just part of the food chain. If you want to be a vegan because it is more healthy or something I could agree, but some meat is very healthy like chicken or turkey. Also you need at least some fat to be healthy.

 

killa tofuuuuuuu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7c3bQQmwVE

 

I couldn't resist.

 

:drool:

EDIT: Also, I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain for nothin'.

 

I hate meat...






...when it's burnt.

 

and my Psych PHD

 

If you have a Ph.D. then I'm burning mine...

 

don't count your chickens before they hatch

 

It aint burnt. Its blackened.

 

I never feel bad about meat unless I fuck up cooking it. "man...that cow lost it's life for nothing." I really don't feel bad about fucking up cooking vegetables...

 

What? Really? A serving of peanut butter is 2 tbsp. It has 7g of protein. Even if we double that, we get to 14g. That's a thick spread.

An in-n-out hamburger has 16g. That's even a small hamburger,. A double double takes it to 37g.

 

Read his whole post again. You can't use most of the shit you buy in the store, unfortunately.

Semi on topic: The "healthiest" protein to funk ratio for any food on the planet is Octopus.
http://www.pccnaturalmarkets.com/health/1850007/

You can get 25g of protein for 139 calories and virtually no saturated fat. That's crazy. Even the shit tasting protein bars aren't that good.

 

One that comes from California.

 

What do you mean can't use? Like the the average peanut butter is bad for you, or the protein is not bioavailable? I was referencing the label on my peanut only peanut butter.

My point is that saying that some of the foods he listed have more protein than meat is simply untrue, whether you're talking about the ratio of protein to other macronutrients or average serving size. I'm still not eating meat, but I think it's wrong to have nutritional misinformation being told. There's already more than enough of that to go around.