sony like downgradeing/cuting costs they are cheaping out like removeing ps2 backwards now removeing other os what will they remove next blue ray disc drive or charge for useing playstation network it lots of things they have removed on this it gone down hill
Sorry, the "academics" argument doesn't work for me. You could have people working from home (or supplying the hardware themselves). Department politics might require that all hardware connected to the network be run with the most current firmware. Multiple departments could even be using the equipment (CS uses the Linux side, Art uses the game/movie side).
There is actually a difference in base hardware in the slim and the hypervisor is not written to support OtherOS on that model.
That's a load of crap. That is like arguing that dev studios use their PS3 Tuners to watch movies durring their off hours at work. Seriously i'm getting really annoyed with people making up hypothetical situations and passing them off as if they are a common thing. Yeah no shit, along with firmwares for many other BR players. Yet even still do you have any ****ing clue how much the fw on br lag behind fw releases? Hell even for Video games it takes well over 4-6 months before new fw are enforced (sure a game might ship with a higher fw, but the game it self wont force to that fw version). I know this shit from working on PSP games (same applies to ps3 fws). The only exception is in really really rare cases where a Game ships with a special version of the firmware (due to newly needed features, this happened on a series of psp jpn games purely to combat piracy, sony never officially released the fw, it only came on a select few jpn games while US & EU where still on older fw).
I think everyone else is a bit annoyed at you dismissing hypothetical situations as trivial stupidities. I personally know an academic who purchased a PS3 primarily to be able to 'take his work home', and ended up buying some games and BR movies because the PS3 was supposed to be able to do all three. How do you know they aren't common? Omniscience? You seem to be defending this as if it were your decision. So you're counter to the fact that BDs will eventually require the firmware to be updated is "do you have any ****ing clue how much the fw on br lag behind fw releases" ? Unless Sony plans to stop producing BRs in the next ... year? Then this will still be an issue, and basically create a class of BRs that won't be playable by these users either. BTW: is this PSMonkey?
I think you are forgetting where this discussion started: So this was not about the occasional academic working from home popping in a BR after work, but it has gone this way to still be able to defend your point. In those hypothetical situations yes you are right, but thats like saying somebody working for a big company got a laptop from work to work from home but they removed his admin rights and heavily limited his browing capabilities.. so no porn for him outside of office hours :crying:
I brought up the strongest point (IMO). Others made arguments about possible uses which I also agreed with. subbie dismissed all of those out of hand declaring his annoyance with them. I provided a concrete example that matches one of the hypothetical. I don't see how what I said undermines my earlier point in any way, nor where it would point to me 'forgetting' the earlier point. They are related in that they both deal with academic use of the PS3, and each has it's own strength and weakness 1) Many academics and institutions have purchased large quantities of PS3s for research, and thus could make up a someone large percentage of the userbase. If this is the case, they shouldn't be dismissed so easily. They however will likely not suffer much from this as there is (at the time) no reason that they cannot simply remain with older firmware, who knows what the future may bring though. This combined with the lack of OtherOS in the slim may also serve to completely shut off the ability for any other academics to get into this sort of research in the future as well. This is a great way for Sony to say 'thanks for all the publicity, but we don't care about you'. Of course since the machines are sold at a loss and these academics never buy games, it might be in Sony's best interest to cut off the supply as soon as possible. 2) Someone I know purchased a PS3 mostly to test and develop cell code, and has since purchased some games and BRs for it. As a specific example, he now has to chose one or the other or use whatever hacks currently exist or may come in the future. Although he may be in a super-minority, it has impacted him greatly.
guys, please all cool a little down. And yes, the academics used ps3 clusters and IIRC had discounts when buying them to do number crunching or other high end resource intensive tasks. So no bringing home work.
Sony I'm sure is well aware of all the different institutions using the PS3 for various tasks but since they have no real need to upgrade at this time Sony has no pressing need to worry. On the off chance there was a catastrophic need to upgrade I doubt Sony will just leave them hanging as it is both positive and free PR. My guess is that Sony would provide a custom upgrade if it became necessary.
Well 1. On ps3 the firmware required for bd movies on sony pictures discs isn't exactly required for the disc to play.. it's just always just whatever is current when the discs are made. 2. Rage much? I'm on 3.00 and every single sony bluray that is a new release is higher than that. >_> So yea 3. Well you may think that that x game won't force a specific firmware version (regardless of it needing said version to actually run) but the system version in the sfo will match the firmware the games shipped with.. so yea they do "force it" regardless of what you may think, and since 280 developers now have the option of adding an extra check on the ps3's installed firmware version and if lower than what the game was built with it will fail to boot.. so regardless if the user gets around the sfo check their still can be another one. And btw your post seems to be way more rude than informative.. actually rereading it, seems more like misinformation than anything.
Your wrong. ;-) it's a hybrid firmware. Maybe if you were on MSN more I could tell you about it :nod:
Quick post since my reply to Quzar is going to take a while to write. thelastuser, I went over the line in my last post and for that I am sorry. I'm just going to leave it at that. :redface: I dislike using msn now (I keep getting flooded with request which I bet are probably spambots). I do read Assmbler PMs. =)
Why dont we just all leave the forums and chat to each other via msn! What a great idea. Or a better idea is talk about it here so everyone can talk about it and learn.
Ya well I don't wish to speak to you about it, hence MSN (or PM). I'd rather do MSN though so I'm not waiting an hour for a bloody response.
Well if you don't want to speak to us then feel free to stop coming here and posting. In future if you wanna belong to the special club of "i know something you don't know" shut your mouth about it and don't come in an open thread telling people they aren't worthy of knowing it.
People opening their big mouth is what got OtherOS removed in the first place. Fact is Geohot just likes the E-fame (and doesn't necessarily deserve it) :thumbsup:
You apparently are not a fan of sharing knowledge. What purpose does knowing something that could potentially be useful, but you keep it to youself just so only can use it? What are you going to do with it, pirate games? Who is going to supply you with games to play? Pirates using the exploit only you know? (I'm not condoning piracy but thats what it sounds like when I read you post). I actually applaud Geohot for releasing the exploit and the info. 1) He is doing it at great risk to himself (how hard would it be for Sony to track him down and sue his pants off under the DMCA?). 2) with what he released its possible to modify the hypervisor and if we could break out of that stupid hypervisor thats on the PS3 we would have one way powerful graphics workstation. Much more powerful then it is now. All that said, sharing is caring, and if you don't care then your a member of the rebel alliance and a traitor! Paulo, take him away!
Not at all. I do not want piracy. I only wish he would keep information "underground" so that it can be developed into something useful and allow homebrew. It appears however that he cares nothing for homebrew and just wants attention. Well sooner or later he will land himself in hot water with Sony. How hard could it be for them to find him...
