So what happens when PS3s freak out next year when it's not leap year, or some other bug manifests and everyone else is able to upgrade to fix it? Just because they don't play games they don't deserve the same continued support others get? They seem to play a large role in the whole 'the PS3 is a supercomputer' (and thus the games will be the best?...) marketing push that Sony eagerly takes advantage of.
Wrong. OtherOS (read "Linux") is used a lot on the PS3. Of course, not by the average "gimmi mah gamez" kids, but there's a lot of devs out the using it to play around (read "code on") with it - incl. those working on "yah gamez". Sony has a pretty clear stand on this, it's either "piss off, no longer be a customer of ours and don't dare to ask for support" (=not updating and keeping OtherOS) or the "be a good assimilated being and we'll continue to care about you" (=update and loose OtherOS). Sony promotes the "the update is optional, who wants to keep OtherOS just don't update" - which is a joke in itself already as we're all aware of that you'd loose PSN and everything. But the joke gets even worse: If you're one of those sticking with OtherOS you'd likely want to deactivate the PS3 from your PSN account to free up one DRM activation slot - since the PS3 is kinda useless for all the DRMed data anyway. Yeah, try that, it'll tell you "There's an update available, update or don't use the option you just selected!" - HA HA? Of course "custommer support" tells you: "nah, we don't take activations off your account" and "just update, you'll be able to deactivate then" - HA HA? Sony played this one really bad. Not even talking about the removal itself, just the way they are going about it....
ok, you've said it twice now, but i'll just clarify. Halo 1 (Xbox original) is not playable over Xbox Live.
Sony has a vested interest in just repairing them and sending them back with the old firmware. It's too big of a PR boon for them to just drop all those academic buyers. Consumers didn't take to Linux on the PS3 so it doesn't matter about them.
Academics don't care about the game side of the console, they dont need to update since day one. What happens next leap year? well nothing because Linux isn't affected. And were did you get that information on not getting support?
Nah, just making fun of the notion of removing features. I know Blu-Ray support isn't going anywhere. Do they actually save money by not having software BC? I can't imagine it would cost them money to put a software emulator on there.
I'll post in full later but I just wanted to tell hellcat that I work on "yaz gamez". Not to mention I work on "daz playstation twee". =)
There isn't really any solid numbers either way. I've read a few people say that even the ps3 linux section of ps2dev.org isn't very active anymore. Either way, those who are using the Ps3 purely for linux aren't using the GameOS side and would not be performing firmware updates. There is no benefit since they run separately. Any updates for them would come from linux distrib (which again are seperate from GameOS). Again, that is a GameOS bug. Again just to restate. I WORK ON COMMERCIAL GAMES! People who work on ps3 games are pretty mixed on the whole thing as well. the Head technical programmer at SCE Santa Monica could care less where the head tech programmer at insomniac was sadden by the news. Yeah and you know what, I feel pretty stupid that I kept saying halo 1. I should know better as it's one of the few xbox1 games I still have. Well yes they do since obviously it's not software BC. =) Launch units had both hardware EE & GS in the box. The 2nd revision had software EE but hardware GS in the box. The 3rd revision just stripped out the GS. PS1 games run via pure emulation and obviously it's still there. Sony would love software emulation of ps2. If they had it already you would see ps2 software up on PSN.
I've been in the club for over 7 years now (almost 8). Mmmm the dark days of when I use to do disney games for the PS1 & GBA. *shivers*
What like? Buy a PS3 or Wii? :evil: Well, in the end I didn't have any choice over the PS3 "otherOS" thang as my wife fired up the PS3 for a shot whilst I was out and updated it whilst meandering off to make herself a cup of coffee. I don't care really, but that's that!
Perhaps it's just what you're used to. I can navigate around the 360 dash or the PS3 XMB, but the lag on the PS3 XMB is killer. When I do something on the 360 dash it happens right away. On the PS3 XMB there's always a load time. Unfortunately all the launch PS3s are out of warranty and YLoD on those isn't exactly uncommon. I'd be just as worried about YLoD on a launch PS3 as I would be abour RRoD on an older 360. You are boned on Blu-ray if you want to keep using Linux. Staying with Linux on PS3 means you don't have the optin of flipping over to the GameOS side for Blu-ray playback of new discs that require upated features. And new discs do, else you'd be able to play all current Blu-ray discs on PS3s with v1.00 firmware and that just ain't happening. 360s with the Jasper chipset are solid. I'd expect the same with the 360 slim. You're at a proper licensee Subbie, you should have seen a 360 slim by now. -hl718
Mine hasn't YLOD *knock on wood*. Still far higher chance to break a launch 360 then PS3. I've found out there are a few services out there to repair YLOD ps3 as well if you send it to sony for repairs, you can upgrade to a slim for a price. Still I don't know anybody with dead ps3s personally (and they are all fatties). I've seen instances on neogaf but again on a personal level i've seen a fuck ton of dead 360 and none on the ps3 end. Yes and no. There isn't a need to update unless a new film is forcing new Specs (1.4 being the up and coming one). Yet again if you are on linux, why is this an issue (but I highly doubt there is a bigger group of those who are using linux & ps3 for BR playback then those doing linux & ps3 games). I'm waiting to see how the slim 360 goes. Also not to mention I expect a $100 360 in a year or two (not long ago they were selling arcades for $129 here in canada). I know Jaspers are better but still not perfect. Also i'm not a proper licensee for 360. As well when I was at ubi I was no where near a 360. =P
I'm with you on the price thing, though I think the Slim will stabilize at $150, not $100. As for the licensee thing, didn't realize that you had changed jobs. -hl718
No I know you weren't. I just felt like giving a little extra info on my self. =) Yeah, it happened a while back (Aug of last year). It's kind of why i'm in toronto now (even though there is a ubi here now). I wish I could talk about what i'm up to now but i'll get in trouble. It's pretty awesome though.
You're one of three to say that the leap year bug was in the gameOS, ok, so? I was using it as an example of a bug that can manifest itself much later in their systems. If such a bug were to manifest itself tomorrow in a place that would affect OtherOS users, they would have no recourse. They haven't needed to update since day one, but that doesn't mean that latent bugs won't pop up later that might be remedied with an update (even if it were only to the last Unless I misunderstand it and sony will keep updating their firmware but *only* with critical fixes... that's what I mean by support, not hardware issues. But I suppose while we're on it, is that really how Sony's hardware support has worked? They'll send your console back with whatever firmware you sent it out with (even if they have to replace the mainboard or such?)?
well that went out quietly. Apparently most of you don't actually give enough of a fuck to take this to court;p
