PS3 slim no backwards compatability-heres why

No BC in the PS3 is sony's way of saying we'll never stop making the PS2...it's going to be to the rest of the world what the master system and Genesis is in Brazil

 

I think you're stretching the reality too much. Sony isn't that crazy. PS2 still is profitable because it's great quantity and quality of games. For it's price, it's a great product. I still think Sony is dumb by not having PS2 working in some way on the PS3, but comparing it's strategy with Tectoy... C'mon

And to be honest, i still don't know how much money Tectoy makes by producing those systems. I guess most of the production of those go to other latin america countries, that are way poorer. I haven't seen a Master System and Mega Drive in stores for more than an year. And they aren't cheap from what i have read. For example, the Mega Drive is almost the same price as a PS2! Even the Zeebo isn't that well known. I only seen it a couple of times at "Casa e Vídeo" and "Lojas Americanas". Both were turned off, while next to it Xbox360 and PlayStation3 demo units and lots of people watching this generation's games.

Plus, when Tectoy got rid of the cartridge input and started using a terrible emulation for the games to work, most probable buyers vanished. Before, collectors from around the world liked to get those systems for curiosity. I don't see that happening anymore. Even "their" Portable Mega Drive was a chinese developed "thing" that you can get even on Play-Asia. The thing was so bad, that i never seen one in my life. It was released and discontinued very fast.

Tectoy now produces DVD and Blu-Ray player, HDTV components, has a big share on cellphone gaming market with its Tectoy Mobile company that has contracts with Sega (to name one) and produce their own games (plus has a big contract with almost all cellphone providers), not to mention Qualcomm owns half of the company, that lead to their "Zeebo" project.

Plus even people without much money, can buy PS2's, PSP's, DS's on major stores and finance payments in smaller parts. I have yet to meet a kid that doesn't know what a Xbox360, PS3, Wii and all game systems after the PS1 is. For them anything older than that, it's only worth to play through "free emulators on computers", just for "curiosity". Most casual players want a videogame to play PES or FIFA, any NBA game, the "Action game of that particular moment" (like Gears of War, God of War, Halo, Killzone, Uncharted,... ) or the music games of the moment (Guitar Hero, Rock Band, Singstar).

PS3 not having piracy is helping the market, by having more game stores (both real stores or just online). The used gaming market is growing as well... The government just need to lower taxes on videogames and Brazil will become one of the biggest market for videogames.

PS: Sorry to go off-topic

 

brazil is an untapped market...

 

It it understood that Brazil and other countries with similar policies regarding industry/electronics are held back by legislation and restrictions on trade, not that no one wanted to tap the market.

 

I never had a PS2 so one of the reasons I was most excited about the PS3 was getting to finally play all the RPGs and stuff I missed out on owning. Buying a PS2 AND a PS3 seemed a waste since I really mostly care about collecting older consoles. And it's not like I have much of a collection anyhow considering I'm 19 and a broke college student and I've had to sell things to eat.

 

I really don't get why you guys are all upset about no backwards PS2 compatibility. Surely you'd rather pay less for one without it, otherwise you'd have one already.

You can get a PS2 for $50 used these days.

 

My mind is well and truly boggled :icon_toil

The whole internet has been in uproar abut the lack of PS2 compatibility and I beleive this was Sony's last chance to sort it out with the release of the slim. I really was so convinced that the company would be sensible and bring back the thing that it's customers want most. But no :evil:

The 'just buy a cheap PS2' argument really doesn't work for me. I don't want umpteen black boxes under my TV and controllers here and there; been there, done that. One of the main reasons I went for a PS3 is that it's one box that plays DVDs, Blu Rays, games and streams video files over the network. PS3, 5.1 amp and a Wii. That's it. Don't want anything else.

To be quite honest, I'm not too bothered. I never had a PS2, but there are a few games I'd like to play. But if I had ended up with a PS2 five years ago, I'd be quite pissed off right now. I'm sure Sony will start selling PS2 games on PSN, and I'll be happy to buy Metal Gear Solid 1 - 3 as I've only played the original. But I really can't see things like Guilty Gear ^ Core + or Arcana Heart being offered on the UK PSN, especially as they can't even fucking sort out Castlevania.

Sony have missed the boat, but nearly 3 years into the console's life, I don't think it matters anymore. I do think that it should have been an option from the very beginning though: there should have been a slot under the HDD cover for a small PCMCIA sized card containing the single-chip EE/GS. That way every PS3 would have had the ability to play PS2 games, you'd just need to spend another £45 on the PS2 card to plug into it.

 

I agree with you. But people get mad because Sony prometes tons of stuff, and when it's delivered, a lot of those things were lies... Remember when the PS3 was first announced?

They should have done of PS3 just for PS3 games, and a PS3+ that had BC.

My PS2 is ok for PS2 and PS1 games. But i waited till now, since i wouldn't buy the $500 PS3. It was expensive and lacks lots of stuff they promised. But now the $299 model is reasonable for a PS3 only-system. I'll get one in October (it's decided already).

 

It's quite possible that the reason they decided to leave the BC Chip out of it this time around is because they already have plans to make all of their PS3 systems have BC via Software Emulation. Having a full firmware update allowing such content to play is a much cheaper route than forcing their own factory to install a chip in every motherboard in every system they make.

The BC Chip when the system was first selling was just another selling point, due to it's lack of games. Can't find a PS3 you like much? Well hold out and here's some PS2 love until then.

Granted, it has been a long time since they released the system, but backwards compatibility for all systems in on the horizon, as Sony has patented their BC software upgrade just recently.

 

The reason is the PS2 GPU costs ~$50

Johnny; What did they remove other than some USB ports and the extra LAN and HDMI ports (which serve absolutely no purpose)?

 

ps3 with full backwards compatibility is the only ps3 I'd ever want.
I don't like having psx/ps2 and ps3 sitting next to each other, unnecessary space that can be saved and having virtual memory cards on ps3 is fantastic too(no reason to swap between them whenever they ran out of space).
upscalling looks great and everything runs through HDMI cable as well as optical cable.
you cannot beat that.
I would highly suggest anyone with sizable ps2 collection and liking a convenience to hunt down either 20gb or 60gb model, eventually first batch of 80gb models with software emulation.
you get the best of both worlds.

 

You said some that were on the E3 2005 specs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PS3_e3_2005_prototype_AV_out.jpg

Add to that PS2 BC, Flash memory card readers and SACD support.

 

The whole "I don't have room for one more system cluttering my entertainment area" bag is a load of crap. Please, if you don't have enough room for a PS2 slim then you also don't have enough room for all the PS2 games you would be playing on your imaginary BC PS3.
-ud

 

Are you sure about that? There is a difference in having somewhere to store games and having somewhere to setup a console. Just because you have room to store a PS2 doesn't mean you have room in your entertainment area to have a PS3 AND a PS2 setup. Believe it or not but alot of people don't have setups big enough to connect every console they have at once.

But as I said before, the PS1 and PS2 are better enjoyed on their real systems and in this day and age you are doomed to have 2 setups if you play both retro games and next gen/modern games since 360 and PS3 need a High Def display and retro consoles like NES to PS2 need a good CRT display preferably with RGB input.

 

I like having all my PlayStation titles playable on the same single console. It's PlayStation tradition..and I m pissed off mine doesn't do BC.

I do own a PS2 but hooking it up is a tedious process. I have only a single component cable and its used by my PS3 - which means that i d have to switch the cable's butt from one console to the other each time etc.

Plus, I d love to have the added benefit of using wireless controllers and a sleek interface to play ps2 titles. I mean the first batch had fun with it, why not the rest of us?

 

Let me ask you this:

Do you own any SACD? I am betting anyone that does already owns a SACD player, else why own the discs? So it's not really a major loss for 99% of people.


The PS3 supports USB memory card readers.
It also supports USB hubs.


The only 'issue' is the BC, but everyone that is whining (not implicating you Johnny) had their chance to buy a BC PS3. It was clear Sony were going to remove it and not bring it back in hardware. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You want to cheapen the cost, then there are going to be some sacrifices to obtain that price. Right?

 

the ps3 has the same ac in plug as my pc

 

Microsoft revises its hardware, lowers the cost and adds features.

Sony revises its hardware, lowers the cost and removes features.

-hl718

 

ps2 still sells reasonably well (for a 10 year old console) and the games sell well too (singstar etc. still pulls in money). they are basically trying to reach different consumer segments with different brands (ps2 for the casual gamer, ps3 for the more sophisticated gamer/entertainment minded person)

this especially made sense when sony made big losses with every ps3 unit sold, so i guess the decision was made to further fuel ps2 sales buy deliberately removing ps2-emulation on ps3... which, then of course, was a weak move, sony should have simply launched the ps3 one year later or whatever, ps2 was selling much more than xbox 360 anyways back in the days.

 

Calm down Taucias. I never said i was mad because of those removed features. I said people got mad about it. Specially when the price was $500+.

I totally agree with you. Most of those features announced at 2005 E3 were dumb (extra lan and hdmi ports). Like you said, i'm not complaining about PS2 BC, but it's their loss really. If they release an emulator in the future, kudos to them. If not, don't care.

Still, Sony has to stop overpromoting their products. Specially before final specs (or think more about features, to avoid removing them in the future).

I'll only buy the PS3 now because it has a decent price. And to play PS3 games.