Saturn proof-of-concept bootloader Pseudo Saturn

Nice wordplay there ;-) i'd got the joke lol but Wow you actually have that MMP-11 Hi-Saturn model?!! Lucky! how much you've paid for that one?

 

I'd like to add you to my friends list on here. We have some things to discuss

 

Yeah, my GameNavi cost me about $800. Everything was included, including the box, but the box was pretty much destroyed. Also, not the version with the screen. I am hoping to find someone who has that screen to allow a mold to be taken and have a 3D printed version made, modding a PSOne screen in to it.

hehehe...added.

 

Nice toy, how sexy is that HiSaturn especially the GPS one at least I think that says GPS (the one with the round buttons) P.S. what are the other buttons on it, I can make out Power, Reset and Open, but what are the others

And wow this has gotten way off topic

I am kind of wondering if this is still being worked on, I hope it is

 

Has anyone tried booting a backup of the system disk for saturn with pseudo?
Maybe the system disk will allow some of the incompatible/and or buggy saturn backups to work fine using the pseudo method??

 

The Systen Disc boots with Pseudo but I can't use it. Tried with UMK3 and after opening the lid the MK disc won't be recognized at all. It's working fine without the System Disc.
The problem here is probably the fact that Pseudo simply modifies the ring check part or something like this. Then the System Disc can't overcome it and the Saturn will try to find the ring on a CD-R, which will make the lens go crazy.

And it's not working either with an original import. Gives "cartridge unsutable" message.

 

@A Murder of Crows You've paid $800 for that?! and the box was destoryed when it arrived via mail? I could tell you were a bit disappointed seeing that or pissed off lol. so, that model was suppose to come with the LCD screen or are those sold separately with it as an option? P.S off-topic but could those Sega Saturn System discs run burned backups on a unmodified console via swapping right? sorry if this has been asked already but there's really not much info on it available.

 

I hope it is still being worked on as well.

Yes, the GameNavi game with a GPS receiver which, to my knowledge, was only ever supported in Japan.

The buttons are:

Top:

Power
Reset
Open
Sound (Switch, switches between Multiplex/Voice Cancel/Stereo)
Echo -
Echo +
Pitch -
Pitch +

Front:
Function switch (Main/Tuner/Ext)
Headphone Jack
Controller Port 1
Controller Port 2
Microphone Jack 1
Microphone Jack 2
Microphone Volume 1
Microphone Volume 2

Yeah, $800. But i had lost an ebay auction at nearly $5000, so i'm MUCH happier having paid out only $800 on this. This model had an option. The instructions/catalog indicate that you could buy the screen separately, and most of the time if you saw the screen it came with the unit. This one didn't however.

The box was very very delicate, and didn't last a week in my home intact.

I would never try the swap trick on this unit, so i wouldn't know.

 

You can find infos about System Disc anywhere. It's just an official boot disc, like that Utopia Boot Disc for the Dreamcast. The difference is that you can't use it burned, since the Saturn MUST read that outer ring that only comes on originals.

It may be useful if you swap trick it and change games without turning off the console. It leaves the Saturn unlocked.
But you need 2 discs, one for 1st party games and other for 3rd party ones. If you have the original system discs they are more useful.

So, a CD-R System Disc is almost the same as having an original and using a swap trick. Actually you must swap trick one more disc with it.


@A Murder of Crows Do the GPS still work? Would mind taking pictures or recording it working? I never saw it in action. The GPS program is a disc or built-in? Do you have that GameNavi game?

 

The HI Saturns were okay, but the serious collector wants the SGX-0007 coin-op hotel Saturn. You just have to clean off the spooge

 

Woah!! that's yours dude?! Nice how'd ya get it? I know, from Japanese Hotels but i'm pretty sure you've paid thousands for it i bet. lol

@Omega ah i see, makes since, since you can't run them easily on a burnt normal CD-R. I wonder, does anyone around have copies of those? Though i assume not as they're very *Rare* and NOT very easy to obtain normally. Those System discs are like the Sega Saturn's answer to Everdrive 64 or PS1 boot discs back in the day sold officially

 

Play enough with the lights and that SGX may read as SEX. Sexy indeed.

 

System Discs were used by devs to boot CD-R during beta tests. Otherwise they would have to ask Sega to make an original disc just for testing, which would take a long time.
http://www.psygnosis.org/history/SATURNPSYQ/

They are rare and expensive but now that we have Pseudo working with probably 98% of the games it's cheaper and easier to get an Action Replay and use it.

 

Here's a question for you fine folks and maybe Druid has the answer already. Does Pseudo bypass all region jumper settings on the mobo? Like, are the region settings all rerouted through the Action Replay with Pseudo on it?

Not mine! Just snagged that pic off the internets I wouldn't mind having one but I think they go for a pretty penny

 

oh wow! i thought that was yours for a sec, lolz!!

 

Of course. That's what all cartridges do since ~1996, I think. From those first Game Sharks until the last Action Replay Plus, it's probably a well know and documented region bypass. And it's also probably written on the first pages on this thread.

 

I need someone who actually knows to respond because I'm testing something. Druid, can you confirm this for me please?

 

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@ Druid, this is the reason I'm asking. I'm out in the workshop digging through the old Saturn misc and I found 2 - V13 mobos that some idiot ruined trying to do a region mod. If in fact the 4 in 1 w/ Pseudo on it can bypass these jumpers, these 2 units should work:

http://i.imgur.com/8FhPsKZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jLtfLWN.jpg

If you need any parts lemme know because I have boxes full of misc. I'll let you know the results as soon as I put one of these back together.

Well here's an interesting conundrum. When you flash Pseudo on your Action Replay, is it also writing a piece of data to the system memory? This screenshot would indicate so. I managed to put together another Saturn and it's giving me the "cartridge unsuitable for this system" error. When I put the AR back in my Skeleton, it boots Pseudo no problem.

Saturn I just threw together with empty system memory:



My Skeleton model I originally flashed Pseudo on:



This "game" doesn't exist. Is this piece of data written to the system memory when you flash your AR? If so, this little piece of data needs to reside on whichever Saturn you are using with Pseudo, correct?

Any information is appreciated, thanks!

 

That has to do with the region flags on the cartridge ROM. The saturn obeys the flags and ONLY ever show that message if it's set to a region which the cartridge does not have a flag to.

Only three or four region flags out of maybe 8 or 10 were used. And the BIOS do honor all flags. So check the region jumpers on that Saturn.

DRYWALLDATA is from some U.S. DISC. I don't remember which. Maybe that weird GENERATOR demo disc ?