Scammer warning: Raylyd caught selling copies of GDR (dreamcast) betas

No dreamcast_zone, I was interested in buying the SYSTEM-DISC 2 as it was a different version to mine and boxed, maybe the Shenmue beta too - lets also not forget raylyd was not directly answering if my suspicions were correct at the time of writing too so the situation was not clear. As I said to raylyd in pm though I would have asked him to bin the replicas - he doesn't have to confirm this.

A threaten with a ban is not childish nor ridiculous when the items can potentially ruin the collectors market, sorry - especially as we had to deal with angry buyers come here complaining about buying fakes already.

If it were anyone else they would have been banned days ago, irrespective of problems thus you would not have had the opportunity to buy the SYSTEM-DISC 2 and original betas at all, so IMO this is your second reason to be grateful.

 

I also was only interested in the System Disc and Shenmue original GD-R as stated before. Will mark the others as self burn if they aren't yet, would have done it anyways, so no problem for me. Case resolved.

 

Even if reproductions ruin the monetary value of the collector market what truely matters is being able to trust what someone says is an original burn from a developer back in 2001 is an original burn from a developer back in 2001.

Personally I don't want to be put into that position if I purchase some GD-R beta, resell it only for it to be discovered it was a bootleg. I look really bad and am out oodles of money. Though I have 0 problem with reproductions if they are labeled as such.

I have a few reproduction Roman coins that specifically have "REPRO" engraved into them. This is not a new concept.

 

Well a buyer has dumped the game for everyone:

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=495852#post495852

certainly puts a spin on things.

 

Hopefully makes the "replicas" next to worthless for all intents and purposes.

 

What about the guy that bought the originals this week :shrug:

What a mess....

 

It sure sucks if you *just* bought the orig discs for allot of money. But then again it was a known fact that there were already a couple of other folks out there, with the same build/discs.

So it was already a risk of buying a disc, that could be dumped by someone else.

 

I think there should be a poll answer which reads:

No, but he should be severely bitch slapped or have a penalty put upon him for x amount of time.

One part of me thinks he knew exactly what he was doing and is using his condition as a blanket of ignorance.

The other part of me thinks that he may have just become genuinely confused.

Either way it's a situation which goes beyond yes and no.

 

BAN FUCKING COCK DICK FUCK RAYLYD SCAMMING POOPGOAT

SORRY I HAVE TYPING TOURETTES

 

^ This.

Personally, I'd vote for a public flogging, or a temporary marketplace ban.

 

the main problem is, banning him here will get him off of here, but he'll still probably sucker some randoms on ebay

 

I can't see how the issue is in any way cloudy. If you buy a DVD or Blu-Ray writer and blank media you do so for the express purpose of backing up files, be they movies, music games or other everyday items. These back-ups can be played back on a whole host of hardware units as they're an open proprietary format. However, after you've gone to the trouble and expense of buying a GD-R burner and blank GD-R discs you're unlikely to be using these two items to store your brothers wedding photo's on, are you?

To make one spare set and sell it is bad enough, to create two sets and sell them openly is taking the piss. I've read here somewhere that the seller should be coddled as he has Aspergers. Well his Aspergers wasn't affecting him when he realized he needed the money for a new bed and thought 'kerching, some fucknut will spunk up good money for them Shenmue discs. Mother, ring me a taxi in an hour, tell them I'm going to Ikea.'

Deception of the highest order.

 

I'd be dissapointed to see raylyd banned. In his past he has done a fair bit of good and I think it outweighs the bad (my opinion). I think when you add that to his condition which makes me think he may not have known. I think he deserves repercussions (perhaps a temp marketplace ban?).

 

okay , this is my input, of course i knowingly bought copies of unreleased game for the dreamcast
, but thats usually because the game came with a manual and looked like how it was gonna be if it was released.

my problem is if the distributer wasn't upfront about it being a copie then he should be condemned.
if raylyd make sure that people know there not the real thing, then it should be okay.

 

Cyanist to me that seems like the same cop out attitude that was taken for Robert_Kendo after he got caught blatantly fabricating false timestamps on messages when called out for giving that dude the run around for weeks and not sending his stuff. Contributing to the board is good but shouldn't give you a 'get out of jail free' card when you royally screw up and don't own up to it

 

It COULD have affected his judgement on this, it's hard to know for sure.

But the more I the more I think on it, surely if you have the intelligence to acquire a GD-Writer, understand its use and purpose as well as set up for sale threads then surely the intelligence to understand the issue at hand is also present.

I guess I find it difficult to be hard on the guy because you can see through his posts and handwriting alone that he has issues with stuff but then the rules are rules.

 

this guy shouldn't be condemned as the product he has is wanted by alot of people ,
though lets hope people know that if indeed his products are reproduction tell them so ,
and your name may go untarnished , this entire mess that you are in may tarnish your name but eventually , you'll work up enough respect. second admit your mistake if any.
i think he deservers a chance to redeem himself , if not you ban him .

i'm on your side raylyd , so i voted no .
you deserve a chance hopefully you won't misuse it.

 

this

 

Inappropriate.

 

I feel for them to some extent. My personal position on betas and other more or less unreleased material is that the originals are always worth something and to me the value is mainly in that you are holding the original which also constitutes an item of historical value. The constitution of the United States (or the Magna Carta for that matter) simply don't become worthless because I can pick up a reproduction at the gift shop.

If I had the money and nothing better to spend it on I'd snap up the Shenmue beta GD-R originals due to what they are, not because of some bizzare sense of "my precioussss" that most of these collectors seem to have. If you're collecting things because nobody else has them you've got bigger problems than the value loss of your collection when someone else who owns a second copy decides to release it to the unwashed masses.

The very concept that the second set of Shenmue GD-Rs were for "backup" purposes is bullshit. A GD-R is not necessary for a backup and if anything burning to what has to be a decade old blank of unknown quality is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard in terms of making a backup. A GDI dump to multiple storage devices is a far better solution. Add to the fact that these "backups" had the same exact information written on them as the originals and you've got a recipe for fraud.

Clearly writing "REPRODUCTION" on them would have eliminated the fraud part though I'm sure some eBay buyer would have bought them thinking they were originals and gotten pissy anyway.

Anyone who buys these items (Katana kit, GD-R burner, GD-R blanks, etc) individually can be a collector. Anyone who buys them and takes the time to burn GD-Rs (IIRC it takes 1 hour for a test run which is requisite and another hour to perform the actual burn) knows precisely what they are doing. You can't "accidentally" produce reproductions of these things anymore than you can "accidentally" key a penis into the paint of a car.

I don't know if banning him would be prudent at this time. A marketplace ban perhaps as mentioned earlier.. Do any of you seriously think he will spend copious amounts of time around here now that this has become a big deal? I would doubt it. If Raylyd was to continue doing this he'd do it another a new pseudoynm in the hopes of not getting caught, probably with someone else doing the writing on the discs and randomizing the information written to them.

Which frankly sounds a bit too paranoid I suppose but what has occurred is something I wouldn't have thought would be done by anyone here.