Scammer warning: Raylyd caught selling copies of GDR (dreamcast) betas

As posted by mooseblaster:

That's only this set. There were at LEAST 2 sets sold on ebay,that means there's a minimum of 3 or 4 sets floating around if you include the real originals, not to mention however many more have probably been sold privately. How many other sets were sold either on other forums or by PM? How many more sets is he sitting on too? I can imagine there are more than a few proper pissed off people out there not only with Shenmue beta's but others too. Don't forget there was a Hellgate disc too, that was one of the things that bought this to everyones attention. With the ebay thing, as soon as he got rumbled he closed his PayPal account, not the usual response you'd expect from someone who has difficulty understanding certain things, he knew well enough in this instance that he was about to get right royally fucked.

Another thing that I can't understand is how this incident has been likened to the robert_kendo debacle. In that instance yes he was economical with the truth but he didn't knowingly dupe his prospective customer into buying a worthless disc he'd knocked up himself a few hours earlier, did he?

As for the whole Aspergers Syndrome defence I think this is getting blown out of all proportion and being used as a means to detract from his actions. I'm not shitting on anybody's physical, emotional or psychological problems here but it seems everybody and his dog these days has an 'ism' or a 'syndrome'. For those unclear about Aspergers it means the person is basically 'socially awkward' and prone to repetitive patterns. What this translates to in real terms is bit of a loner, didn't mix well at school, probably got bullied. As for his repetitious behaviour well, in this case his OCD manifests itself in the mass duplication of GD-R discs. He is completely compos mentis in every other way. His 'ailment' means he's a bit shy and withdrawn, he's not got fucking Downs Syndrome.


I await the flames.

 

lmfao

 

I likened it to Kendo because both wouldn't own up to their mistakes. In Kendo's case he posted a falsified shot of his inbox with the date modified so it looked like he was actively communicating with the buyer, while the buyer then posted a copy of his own box that had a 3 day difference in dates. Kendo knowingly tried to dupe the forum to seem like the good guy

 

Forum should be renamed Aspergergames.com

 

I do see why this is just a yes or no question, but I personally don't think the comments are that helpful - which is leading to people asking for an extra no. Should he be banned, yes or no is a simple question. However, "No, he meant no harm" is an answer that many will disagree with, and as such may not choose it. It should be purely yes or no.

As some of you will know, I too have a disability. I believe that you should never use a disability as an excuse. Most of us with disabilities would love to lead a 'normal' life and as such will soldier on through it as much as possible. I'm not saying you shouldn't make others aware of your disability, that's fine. Explain to them how it affects you so they can understand your limitations. No problem. And yes, there are disabilities, Asperger's Syndrome included, where you do have to cut the affected some slack. However, I don't believe in completely mollycoddling them. Someone else mentioned that they were (wrongly) diagnosed with Asperger's, but his Mum never let him use it as an excuse. That's as it should be. You still need to teach them right and wrong.

When I worked in a shop with a LAN, we had two brothers who came in and used the facilities. One had Asperger's, and could play up. I always treated him the same as anyone else - I would listen to him, help him, but if he played up, I'd tell him off just like any of the kids. If he got up without putting his rubbish in the bin, he damn well heard about it! And one day, when his Mum came in to pick them up, she thanked me for not treating him any differently to the other kids.... even if it came to a good telling off!

Anyway, in my mind, the problem is that it goes further than our community. He has been selling these on eBay - I don't know how many have sold, but that link to the other forum suggested he knew of 3 other unhappy buyers, and perhaps more.

I saw an interesting article the other day, written by a mother. As she drove home, she watched her daughter in the back of the car holding an imaginary telephone conversation using a banana. It made her think about her son, whom I believe was autistic, and how he would not be able to do this. There's no telephone, a banana does not have that function, it's illogical. So yes, we do take for granted certain logic - the ability to see right and wrong.

Perhaps an ultimatum is in order, rather than a ban.

Raylyd seems to have issues understanding that he did anything wrong, and when challenged was somewhat cagey and defended himself. Having known several people with Asperger's, that's normal. We need to educate him as to why that is wrong - that it is piracy and is morally wrong, as you're tricking people into believing they have an original disc from the developer, when it probably never entered their premises.

Anyway, back to the ultimatum. Perhaps suggest that, if he wishes to remain a member, he listen to the reasons why burning GD-R for financial gain is immoral, accepts that what he has done is wrong and ceases to sell GD-Rs that he burnt - here, on eBay or anywhere else.

On another note, with this issue coming up and some others, I feel that we need an update of the rules.

I've met LeGIt, and I can confirm he is indeed fucked up.

Oh wait... that was BEFORE the accident.... ;-)

 

More like aspergergamers.com

I guess people can't get banned for just being an idiot anymore. I have no opinion on this matter but seriously I'd ban like 10 of you 12 year olds for incoherent posts with horrific grammar. Ironically you Britons seem to be the worst offenders. Read: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-You're-and-Your

 

There dyslexic, cut them some slack.

 

It's "they're" OH:

 

your gramma and spelling nazi's the hole lot of you, i also move for the site to be renamed aspergergamers.com

 

That was the joke, yup.

 

Hmm, you complain about the grammar of some, and then use incoherent language yourself. I think what you meant to say was more like "Ironically, the worst offenders seem to be British". The way you said it makes it sound like ALL of us Brits have poor grammar, and I would personally take offence to that. My grammar is usually impeccable, thanks! I went to a grammar school - the highest level of school here (other than the snobby private schools).

The problem is the chavvy types - they don't seem to give a fuck about their grammar, and for some reason, their parents and schools don't seem to care, either. I think it is a disgrace and cringe whenever I see it. Still, it's unfair to condemn an entire country because of a select group.

That said, by far the best guide to the issue is this:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling

I would urge everyone to read it, regardless of whether you are American, British or a nationality that doesn't have English as their mother tongue. It's a good guide to the commonly misspelt words.

 

Look, if your being purposefully evasive about your items providence, for which the sole purpose is to mislead people into making an assumption that isn't true (For great monetary gain), then I think that's not only dishonest, but goes against the spirit of rules and latitude that might have been afforded to you had this been an honest mistake.

In this case, he didn't inherit the fakes from someone. It's not like he got passed fake $20 bills and accidentally passed it on to another person. He deliberately and purposefully went to the trouble of burning copies on GD-Rs. You don't find a GD-R burner, and blank GD-R media by mistake and just start burning data (Which could easily be stored on more common mediums).

Frankly, if this kind of stuff can go on, why not open the floodgates to Saturn CD-Rs, and Mega CD discs? Just get some Chinese manufacture to silkscreen/press them for you and turn each disc around for a handsome profit. It's not like you'll be banned for it. (Preface: I'm being extremely sarcastic here to contrast how the situations are the same, yet one person gets banned and another doesn't).

 

i have sent legit my nhs letters to prove my ponit.
took 4 years to 4 years to diagnose
my head is bigger the it should be.
any more info needed please pm me or reply to this.

 

raylyd I can't accept the docs - as I said before the docs are yours and yours alone - we accept your problems on good faith, but rules are rules.

FYI I voted against the ban as I don't think you understood the issue plus it has been dealt with, however if you or the buyer refused to deface the duplicates I'd have banned you both NP.

Do you understand how the duplicates are wrong now though, raylyd?

 

You can deface as many discs as you want with permanent markers, it means nothing. A little Isopropyl on a cotton bud or clump of cotton wool will get the front of the disc spotless and as good as new in a few seconds. Rename the front of the disc in new handwriting and a different colour pen and voila, they're no longer raylyd's clones but a brand new authentic find, direct from Sega's archives. It's for you to prove otherwise.

They're out there which means the whole thing just keeps reperpetuating itself. The discs should have been destroyed with video documentation to prove it.

 

Where are we going to draw the line? If nothing gets done of any significant value... It could happen again or even worse.. You wouldn't let someone steal £500 from your house.

 

Oh God, you've got Dion syndrome, too!! ;-)

According to the above, not any more! BLAME CANADA!!! ;-)

 

Well I would think the first port of call is to blacklist Shenmue 0.400 / Hellgate / Sonic Adenture E3 demo GD-R from future sales (to be sure).

The buyer looked happy though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__k2IRiKNMg&feature=player_embedded#at=415

Obviously the whole issue is complicated - I could have deleted the topic sooner, but I didn't expect any problems should he play ball nor was I 100% they were fake, but it didn't help at all they were then sold and shipped in the middle of the dispute. It also doesn't help that technically GD-R beta backups do appear to be allowed from a certain point of view (it is a loophole to close for sure) but without specific written rules, reproductions are unforgiveable and that should go without saying.

I'm sure you all noticed I was quite content to ban raylyd, but disabilities do change things. He doesn't need to be treated any different from anyone else, but he does need extra help to become equal as he lacks faculties others take for granted and it looks like he didn't get that help either, so in this context it is unfair to him too.

If you had an ingrowing toenail or whatever and producing fakes, who gives a shit. If you're in a wheelchair, who gives a shit. If you're a quadriplegic, who gives a shit. They're all bad things and in other situations I would wish you well, but in this context a physical disability is not a get out of jail free card as it has no bearing on the mind.

The problem here lies in that issues of the mind affect judgement amongst other things too. Raylyd is blessed with a condition that grants almost pathological honesty, but he got it bad so his understanding of issues is somewhat reduced so he may believe he is doing right when he is in fact doing wrong. I think rather than a witch hunt we should be working on ways to support raylyd and integrate him better so this doesn't happen again, but if it does happen again with the issue stickied for all to see and the loopholes closed and people warned, it should be less of a problem to take the hard line in future.

Unfortunately due to the way the medical docs were presented to me I opened them without knowing what they were - as I say not my business so not my right to see them, but given as I have seen them via accident I can say for sure raylyd's particular form of autism is more severe than mine or other member's and it would explain why he was crap to respond nor not know the difference between real or fake GD-R.

It may be that his future sales may require some approval first, but if we single him out it is unfair, which would then mean it had to be rolled out to approve every listing, which will mean some delay selling items for you lot and a fuckload more headache for the mods. As ever though it comes down to trusting your sources and raylyd in this situation at least cannot be trusted to provide software in future, so then there is no obligation on people to buy from him, but at the same time he does sell, pack and ship well with everything else and is a good participator.

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IMO like people are saying, raylyd does need a good hard slap for this and it is a ban worthy offense, but given the circumstances we also need to find a way to move on from this. The following video sums it up though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXdAck8CWVY

"I'm the worst human being in the world"

 

My bad! (^_^); I admit, I usually run my stuff through a spell checker of some kind but for some reason it's not doing any kind of highlighting. Add on the fact that I'm typing through a VNC session so the lag/repainting issues are pretty bad.

 

Even if the discs get destroyed, one can still make a new pair of discs... since these particular discs have been dumped and published... Same counts for all released DC beta's. with the right tools you can fake a GD-R.

So buyers should always be aware when buying an -known- dumped game on GD-R.