1. There have been major changes to the marketplace rules. Please read them again. The biggest changes involve image hosting, originality of items, and the number of infractions before ban. By dismissing this notification, you acknowledge awareness about the new guidelines.

Scammer warning: Raylyd caught selling copies of GDR (dreamcast) betas

Discussion in 'User Transactions - Feedback Forum' started by IcarusNick, May 1, 2011.

?

Should Raylyd be banned for selling copies of GDRS

Poll closed Jun 7, 2011.
  1. No, he meant no harm

    30 vote(s)
    30.3%
  2. Yes, he defrauded people

    69 vote(s)
    69.7%
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. thelastuser

    thelastuser Peppy Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2007
    Messages:
    315
    Likes Received:
    1
    God help the economy when raylyd gets his hands on some proper paper and a quality printer.

    Wonder if he'd take the same defensiveness and try to say he's the one being scammed when people finds out the notes he's passing are counterfeit.
     
  2. takeshi385

    takeshi385 Mojarra Frita Bandit

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2011
    Messages:
    1,856
    Likes Received:
    164
     
  3. sneakypeanut

    sneakypeanut Pika CHUUUUUU!!!

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2010
    Messages:
    1,055
    Likes Received:
    10
    +1 legit your a babe <3
     
  4. Borman

    Borman Digital Games Curator

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2005
    Messages:
    9,543
    Likes Received:
    1,880
    I voted yes to the ban, but to banned from the marketplace. Sadly, he is not the only one who has ever sold copies here, he is just one of the few that have been caught.
     
  5. NewDump

    NewDump Spirited Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2009
    Messages:
    187
    Likes Received:
    0
    +1

    adly, he is not the only one who has ever sold copies here, he is just one of the few that have been caught.
     
  6. kenseiken

    kenseiken Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2010
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    I vote yes he sell me exclusive shenmue beta (exclusive copy from sega) and real copy he maked for expensive price.

    He is thief raylynd!!
     
  7. MattyHusted

    MattyHusted Rising Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2007
    Messages:
    72
    Likes Received:
    0
    the community is about sharing not for profit but to learn and research
     
  8. A. Snow

    A. Snow Old School Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2004
    Messages:
    2,432
    Likes Received:
    10
    I believe that at a minimum he should be banned from the marketplace. The fact is that he has caused real monetary damage and problems to people. While his condition should probably be taken into account to some degree it does not mitigate that damage.

    There is also the point to make that by giving him a totally free pass in itself causes damage to the reputation to this site.
     
  9. Cooleo

    Cooleo Dauntless Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Messages:
    701
    Likes Received:
    0
    I can't digest dairy, Can I do bad things too?

    As much as this doesn't deserve a whole site ban, I think it does deserve a marketplace ban. What he did was wrong, whether he knew it or not. He should be treated as an equal, not using his disabilities to come between the judgement of the moderators, Treat him as any other member and do what is right.
     
  10. Consumed

    Consumed Fiery Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2010
    Messages:
    868
    Likes Received:
    4
    Not funny linking to a YouTube scene that features mongoloids. Really, really uncool. You say he a pathalogical honesty that somehow got fucked up. Let's just hope he doesn't get a pathalogical desire not to rape women...

    So anyway, a precedent has now been set so how many chances do we each get to scam the boards and is there a fiscal ceiling we can't go over? I fancy a free fortnight in Tenerife so I'll start the ball rolling shall I? Right, I've got a copy of Ecco for the Dreamcast here, bidding starts at £400, please line up with your bids and form an orderly queue.
     
  11. LeGIt

    LeGIt I'm a cunt or so I'm told :P

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2004
    Messages:
    3,439
    Likes Received:
    31
    I believe it is actually the term mongoloid which is uncool and it was phased out many years ago :p

    The video is not really that insulting, in fact the comment at the end of the rant sums it up "I'm a terrible human being" as it demonstrates how improper his rant was and the case is similar here.

    FYI thanks to my brain damage I've skipped ques at Alton Towers too ;)
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2011
  12. Cyantist

    Cyantist Site Supporter 2012,2013,2014,2015

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2008
    Messages:
    4,158
    Likes Received:
    20
    The matter of fact is, if he is to be banned for scamming, then why isn't everybody who has ever scammed and been caught banned? Inspuration nicked a few hundred from someone for a kit. Somebody here scammed Borman for an xbox, but he was never banned? Why? because he ordered him a new xbox? fair enough. but ray was forced to refund the two people he sold these to in theory he has also ''Bought the buyer an xbox''
     
  13. derekb

    derekb Well Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2009
    Messages:
    1,964
    Likes Received:
    44
    Did the guy who scammed Borman buy him the xbox in good faith?

    I think a keyword is that ray was forced to refund those two people, not that he did it in good faith.
     
  14. Consumed

    Consumed Fiery Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2010
    Messages:
    868
    Likes Received:
    4
    How is the case here similar? He wilfully defrauded multiple buyers and when called on it either skirted the issue or just downright lied. He apparently doesn't realize that selling duplicates of games is wrong but knows the ins and out of taking apart and repairing and modding various consoles? You must think we're all as fucking thick as he's making himself out to be.

    You normally find in cases like this that what's been discovered is just the tip of the iceberg. If he'd not been called on it how many more suckers would he have stolen from?
     
  15. LeGIt

    LeGIt I'm a cunt or so I'm told :P

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2004
    Messages:
    3,439
    Likes Received:
    31
    Well when you're right you're right but the case is still similar. Scamming or fraud requires willful deception thus it is wrong to accuse raylyd of this in these circumstances, just as it is wrong for him to have produced replicas.

    I only know of the two shenmue clones from ebay which got chargebacks (1 from Fatalist 1 from Kenseiken), the clone from this sale to dreamcast_zone and there could be others. I don't tjhink we will ever know how deep the rabbit hole goes, but for now at least the best we can do is to blacklist the titles we do know about, check his ebay feedback for more and hopefully he will state if there are others and how many.
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2011
  16. Cyantist

    Cyantist Site Supporter 2012,2013,2014,2015

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2008
    Messages:
    4,158
    Likes Received:
    20
    He was forced to. His info found its way onto the internet.
     
  17. Trenton_net

    Trenton_net AKA SUPERCOM32

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2007
    Messages:
    2,378
    Likes Received:
    58
    With all due respect to everyone here, how is burning GD-R media using a GD-R writer and selling the copies not deceptive? Is there any conceivable reason to burn beta material to GD-R for the purpose of resale that isn't deceptive or with intent to defraud? Like what,"Rayltd's friendly GD-R Backup service"?
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2011
  18. Borman

    Borman Digital Games Curator

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2005
    Messages:
    9,543
    Likes Received:
    1,880

    To be fair, Im fairly certain the guy who scammed me has been run off of many, many sites at this point, which was deserved. The only reason I got anything was due to the effort of many, many people.


    Unfortunately for Raylyd, his original disks values are totally gone now, with the disks being dumped, and Id be curious to know if they were dumped by someone who received a refund. If so, thats not cool either, as crappy as what Raylyd did.
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2011
  19. Cyantist

    Cyantist Site Supporter 2012,2013,2014,2015

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2008
    Messages:
    4,158
    Likes Received:
    20
    dumped by fenix @shenmue dojo i believe
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2011
  20. Alchy

    Alchy Illustrious Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2004
    Messages:
    6,216
    Likes Received:
    19
    That is your opinion, and you should be careful to state it as such. From my perspective he's plenty guilty of "wilful deception", but I've made clear my reasons on that already.

    If I was raylyd I'd be in this thread addressing every concern raised with as much humility, contrition and regret as I could muster. Conspicuous by absence, tbh.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page