Vita failing in Japan, getting ass handed to it by 3DS

Personally I'd rather play old games anyway.

I can get Panzer Dragoon Saga for the price of a Vita

 

You could get PDSaga and some $100 2D shooter for the price of a Vita.

Unless PDSaga has jumped $100 since I last saw.

 

True. You could also get like 50 cheap Saturn games.

 

Here's a good read, from a decent gaming site:

http://www.destructoid.com/don-t-worry-the-playstation-vita-is-going-to-be-fine-219055.phtml

And no, i don't care for the Vita.

 

BTW sony could actually undercut the 3DS in price.

The PSV while top of the line its still generic hardware: regular qHD screen, regular ARM from samsung, the only really custom part being the memcards, and I'm speculating on that: it could just be two microSDs wired together.

The 3DS has custom-everything: display, CPU, GPU, etc... Nobody else makes those because nobody else its using those (in fact the CPU its obsolete) so production costs can never be lower than a certain point.

Generic hardware prices plummet in no time, lowend android phones today are at least as powerful as the original $600 iphone from 5 years ago and most are cheap even unlocked. Since the PSV uses so many phone parts which are being churned up by the billion sony can always get a cheaper source, and thus lower the price.

Dont be surprised if by xmas a PSV its cheaper than a 3DS is now.

 

It's the design.

Had it been something less 90s and more minimal, even sexy, I bet many more people would be interested in even looking at one. From where I stand, my mom can't tell the difference between a PSP and a Vita.

It's a gamer's console, certainly, but earth-breaking numbers come when you invite your non-gaming friends.

 

At the moment it's a gamer's console without the games...

 

that's fine, many consoles didn't have awesome launch titles and did just fine later on.

I'm sure Uncharted will do enough to win over the kids come release

 

I can get 50 Vito sandwiches from Jimmy John's.

Moot point.

 

That's a load of bull. The GPU & CPU have custom modifications built for sony and are not stock (not to mention that there are very few quad core arms used out there). 3DS GPU is no more custom then Vita's (it has some changes to suit nintendo's needs but isn't some special GPU built only for nintendo).

Mem cards are not built of MicroSD tech. they're a modified M2 (possibly XC) which is a updated line of the MemStick Duo line by Sony/SanDisk.

Everything else you say is just a load of crap that has no bearing on prices.

 

You are fucking joking me right? dont you read the news? quadcore tablets are already here, quadcore phones are coming Q1, Asus its going to launch a Tegra3 7inch tablet for less than $300

After what happened with the Xbox are you going to bullshit me saying it has nothing to do with prices? really?

The SoC its just a A9 MP core, every fucking company in town its making those. The one in the PSV its made by samsung, its probably the same Exynos the nextgen galaxy tab its going to have.

The GPU its a variant of the one the iPad2 has, not even the Series6 the new OMAP its going to have.

Sony could change suppliers just like that, its all the same fucking architecture, they are even using PowerVR which is the most fucking used GPU in these chips, if they had gone to Adreno it would be different, but still lots of suppliers.

The 3DS uses a lowres screen only Sharp makes, a ARM11 core thats so old even chinese crap phones are phasing out of it. At the end its the Xbox: only intel made the CPU and only nvidia made the GPU so M$ got assraped with costs.

I'm not saying PSVs are going to be free, just that sony can undercut the 3DS and still make a profit, while 3DS cost reductions will hit the limit way before than the PSVs

With the android market as it is in less than 2 years even the crappiest phones will surpass the PSV in raw power.

 

Bleh. Was going to go point by point but it's useless.

Yes the vita was built with being cost effective in mind (a launch vita is not causing sony to loose shit tons of money per unit like previous sony devices). Yet that doesn't mean it's just straight up stock parts either. The GPU is a powerVR but there are a bunch of changes made to it's base arch to make them more game focused (hence the plus designation). The chip it self went through a fuck ton of revisions (and me a fuck ton of vita hw revisions due to GPU changes). Sony can't just swap it out with a different variation with out having to engineer a new chip line to be compatible.

As for the nintendo bit, that has never been an issue in the past. Their stuff always uses old gen tech to have a cheaper product. Unlike a console they're also more open to revisions if they see the need to change CPU lines (DSi is not the same chips in DS/DSL). The LCD is not really any special tech they made, it's reusing existing tech from sharp.

And yet since no game will ever be built low level enough to use the hardware directly they will still display games that will barely push above the vita. Nor will the market care.

 

Not every Quad Core is the same, It's not like you are going to radio shack downtown and ask for a A9 to build in your devices. There is very little known what was done to the CPU design by Sony, you can take a bet it was customized, not just cause of security reasons. Even if it's all around it's a real powerful CPU, thats why it is recognized so much lately.

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The Vita GPU is a PowerVR SGX 543 MP4+ and the iPad 2 has a PowerVR SGX 543 MP2, thats some significant diffrence in parts still. Anyways who knows what life cycle sony has really choosen for the device, not a bad choice to match the current and future market.

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The 3DS is made of really cheap parts, I don't know how you come to this conclusion that the PSV can undercut the 3DS following your own arguments?
You can't compare M$ btw. Their switch to PPC was a waste investment, same for Sony with the PS3. Thats a different minefield.

Might shorten the life cycle of every handheld and introduce more often hardware updates. The mobile device market made the chip progress in the ARM area advance. I don't think Sony will stay with the current PSV for the next 5 years as is. It's even possible they are going to revise the hardware after a while and pump the specs up while maintaining backwards compatibility. The move with the PSV was right, if it is continued correctly.

 

Sony should have waited a little longer to make a "decent" mobile gaming device, I don't want a little ps3 in my pocket but something new and isn't like something that came out in 2006.

 

Are you saying you want a next-gen handheld before there are even next-gen consoles?

 

Having such high quality HD graphics on such a small screen is a waste of time because you can't see all the detail. Sure, you don't want games to look like crap (Nintendo DS with it's worse than Saturn 3D) but do you really need something more impressive than a Ps3 in your pocket? No you don't. What's the point when you can't see what's going on due to the screen size.

Yakumo

 

Yeah, everyone bases how well a console does in terms of launch. Launch titles I see are something to introduce the console with, then maybe a year later the games that define the console come out. Game Informer gave the DS a D grade launch, yet the console turned out pretty good after more games came out. Same thing to the PSX.

 

How is the Xperia play doing btw, is it N-GAGE 2.0?

 

Pretty sure it's been selling really badly...and for good reason, when it came out, it was WAY too expensive for what it was: an average-spec Android phone.