What's common knowledge about WWII in Japan?

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  1. A. Snow

    A. Snow Old School Member

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    It is more extreme in NK but that doesn't change the fact that Stalinism is still what the ideology is based upon. i

    What did Hitler in was starting a two front war. Had he used the resources he wasted in Russia to instead finish off the UK then the war would have probably turned out quite different.
     
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    Two front war was the result of his mental conditions - despite all warnings he thought that Germany is powerful enough to fight on both fronts.
     
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    Hitler never planned a two front war, he knew that Germany's chances to win would diminish just like in WW1. The plan was to conquer England by Summer 1941 latest, but that did not happen. As the bomb war above England reached a stalemate situation, Hitler continued his plan and tried to conquer the Soviet Union until the winter - but then Japan, without notice to Hitler, surprisingly attacked the United States, who then joined the Allies and Germany got a new enemy on the Western front.

    The two-front war was caused by a mix of Hitler's lack of preparation for attacking Russia and because of Japan's surprise attack on the US. Hitler was certainly crazy, but he was also a careful planner who more than once was forced to reorganize because of his allies' careless actions. Another example would be Mussolini's lousy attempt to conquer Greece.
     
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    He got his pussy smoked b/c America is so awesome. Let's not forget that.
     
  5. omp

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    There was a saying in Australia when the Americans came here "over paid, over sexed and over here".

    My Great Grand Dad didn't hold the Japanese in high esteem as he was in New Guinea.
     
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    He will probably roll in his grave when the article I'm participating in is published. It's about a single instance in the war though.
     
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    TBH I don't know too much about him other than that. My Grand dad told me snippets about it, not to much though.

    First I heard of it was when we had Japanese exchange students in high school.
     
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    Haha -- I bet. This is for a friend of my father's. His father was in a battle that is sparsely documented... far more on the Japanese side than the English side, and what is on the English side is from the Aussies, and skewed a bit according to him. Pretty interesting stuff. The whole thing happened on New Guinea.
     
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    WWII was primarily a war between the Russians and Germans, the Pacific theater is almost like a separate war with the
    Japanese beating on the chinese.

    China had something like 24 million murdered or killed in the war. If China (at the end of the war) had been like the Russians marching into Berlin
    I doubt there would be a single Japanese alive today.

    If you get past the names, to the hard data, WWII is stunning in how many people died. However they were of poor, socially
    unimportant classes so their loss had little financial impact.

    One cannot say simply so-and-so won the war. It was a larger intertwining of things. American materials, russian bodies, and the french and brits holding on long enough
    for the pieces to fall into place.

    The Chinese will never, ever forgive the Japanese and as Japan falls more and more into the twilight phase of old people and declining gdp, taxes there will be far
    more serious implications. The Chinese are far more emotional with strong nationalistic feelings. The Japanese are forever lost in social
    patterns and group think. Japan has yet to feel the wrath of China.
     
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    Japan's problem is they're retrogressing. Their become more reclusive, less progressive, and electing idiots that are dumber than even American politicians if that's possible.
     
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    Is the rising sun flag still commonly used in Japan? I know it's fairly offensive in China and at least one of the Korea's. Is it relegated to nationalist groups only? AFAIK the roots aren't strictly imperialistic/military but its strong association with it cause offense.
     
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    The Rising Sun flag was the military flag of Japan with the IJA and IJN having different versions. Variants are still used by the JGDSF and JMSDF today.
     
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    Holding that flag up is like holding up the Nazi flag. Maybe not quite as bad, but close. I've seen a shop that has one in the window... in Azabu (high class neighborhood) of all places.
     
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    What's the big deal? Should Americans not be allowed to fly their flag because of what went down in Vietnam? Not to knock the Americans or anything because no country is truly innocent so I don't see why people can look down on others for having pride in their nation, regardless of it's negative points in history. And the Nazi flag is different because that represents a political party and unlike the Hinomaru doesn't represent Germany for even a fraction of it's history.
     
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    Germany started both wars on economic grounds. They were like Zimbabwe, but decided to expand the country rather than live with it.

    Why would it be much better?

    To make money you have to make someone else lose money, otherwise if everyone is on the same level then you get the type of inflation that starts wars. Star Trek was written around the idea that once we get rid of money then it leaves us with more time and energy to do good things. However someone still has to clean the toilets and if you don't have people who are desperate enough to do it for the money then nobody will.

    The EU is a great idea if you're one of the countries receiving subsidies or your population can go and earn money in another country. It's less ideal for countries that pay more and end up with huge numbers of immigrants looking for work/benefits.
     
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    The Hinomaru is the current flag. The Rising Sun flag represents Imperial Japan. Obviously not a political party, but a rather oppressive monarchy. Is that any better or worse? I can't say b/c I've only been mildly oppressed by the God awful TV and porn of the current democratic system. However, if you fly that flag you are basically saying that you agree with Pre-war Japan's aggressions.

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  17. Goemon

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    if you read some History Books than you know that germany was tragged into WW1 by unfortunate events.
    Germany didnt wanted war but it the end had to.
    After everything was done the germans where blamed for everything in other words a scapegoat.

    WW2 and Hitler is a different story but at the end it also had it roots at WW1.
     
  18. A. Snow

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    The Hinomaru was the flag of Japan before WWII. The rising sun flag were the flag and ensign of the IJA and IJN respectively. The JMSDF uses the same ensign today while the JGSDF uses and altered version.

    I get what you are saying but they were never the official flag of Japan.
     
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    You really lost me w/ all those acronyms. :)

    Seems one of the SDF units still uses it. Never knew that. You walk around town holding it, and you will get some seriously fucked up looks from people. Japanese people.
     
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    IJN = Imperial Japanese Navy
    IJA = Imperial Japanese Army
    JMSDF = Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force
    JGSDF = Japanese Ground Self Defense Force
     
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