What's common knowledge about WWII in Japan?

Yeah, that's hilarious.

 

Maybe you should take a look sometime? What you are saying is complete and utter horseshit, far from reality!

Firstly, you say that they were criminals and therefore don't count. Does that mean that Jews also don't count for the Holocaust because their mere existence was criminal under the German law? Roughly 5 million soviet citizens were sent to forced labor camps for their "crimes".

Secondly, Stalin's death count is of course not just from Gulags, just like Hitler's death count did not just come from camps. For example, Stalin created an artificial famine in the early thirties that killed 5-7 million people.

As with all genocides, the precise numbers are not perfectly documented, but there is worldwide agreement among historians that under Stalin's regime, at least 13-17 million died, but this is very likely to be a conservative guess which is much too low due to lacking documentation.

Saying that under Stalin "only" a few hundred thousands were killed is nothing short of Holocaust denial, which tries to massively downplay the number of victims by ignoring the facts.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-World-War-senior-Chinese-official-warns.html

http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/germany-urges-japan-to-deal-honestly-with-wwii-past

Interesting takes.

 

Like Australia
*shakes fist*

 

Haha -- totally. I was/am working with a friend of my dad's on working on an article from a specific battle in WWII in which a bunch of yanks fought w/ some Aussies against the Japanese in New Guinea. Aussies wrote it off as their win, but the friend of my father's father was in the battle, and he said the US actually did a lot of (if not the majority of) the fighting. Went through some obscure Japanese texts for him. He actually found a newspaper which documented the US side of things, so he's quite pumped. Was pretty strange reading through the accounts of one of the Japanese officers.

 

The correct answer would be that the flag of the german empire has *always* been the official flag. The third reich was "founded" illegally so basically there was no "official" flag during 33-45. In fact, the german empire never ceased to exist and there was a lot of bs going on when germany got reunited back 89. Things like the "zwei plus vier" contracts made things even worse, and helmut kohl gave up territories to poland which have never been part of poland before.

And to that guy from poland i've been reading on the first pages: are you envy of germany? Germany got back on its feets because they kept rebuilding the whole country out of ashes and produced high quality products which they still do till this very day.
Germany is also still paying a lot of money to the jews just because they are made feel guilty for what happened even though the generations now living and working in germany had nothing to do with the ww2 and shouldn't feel guilty for anything, anymore. Germany is also "feeding" the whole eurozone. Do a little research who is paying the most money for keeping the whole "project EU" running. Think about spain, portugal and greece, without the help of germany there wouldn't be a euro and "EU" anymore and there would be no financial support from brussel either for your beloved poland either. Believe me, less than one percent of the german people wanted the EU and the euro. The "deutsche mark" was stronger than any other currency back in they day, why giving up on that? Just because the people weren't asked!

 

Starting to stretch a bit too far off topic here, but...

The Third Reich was never an official title, so it follows there would be no official flag. But the NSDAP came to power through legal means, following Hitler's election as Chancellor and the passing of the Enabling Act of 1933, regardless of any political ploys or intimidation which led to it.

Also, you can hardly mention burying the hatchet over WWII and then bring up ill feelings over the Oder-Neisse line. Germany got off lightly after WWII (apart from the whole partitioning thing) and the cessation of territories to Poland was a minor burden to bear, not to mention one which was recognised by West Germany in 1970. If it were up to the Germans (and Russians), Poland would have ceased to exist as a nation and the same ideal could have been applied to Germany after 1945.

Also, if you want people to not make you feel guilty about the Holocaust, don't bring up the question of the Jews out of nowhere. Simple.

 

Just to feed the flames a bit, this is an interesting thread at Fucked Gaijin. The place is generally filled with humor even drier than mine, and this thread has a bit in there, but for the most part it's a debate about who is more apologetic for WWII: The Germans or the Japanese. An interesting take on people that have done more studying than me. However, there is one line in there that must be quoted for future generations, and you simply can't get it out of a text-book:

in my experience with Japanese people, if the subject comes up, with just about any serious subject, you get indifference at best. At worst, stuff in the quote.

 

After living here for three years, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that it was simply a paperwork issue - perhaps someone lost their hanko in the blast or something.

 

The proper level of teeth sucking hadn't been reached yet.

 

First of all USSR is not the same as Russia. And so Soviets is not a synonym for Russians. Soviet=any of more than 100 nationalities of the USSR. Russian=ethnic russian, nowadays it also means russian citizen of any of the 160 nationalities.

Now that we understand that USSR & Russia and Soviets & Russians are different things, let us continue about Poland.
Poland DID cease to exist as a nation as it was before WW2.
Huge chunks of it were ceased (legally) by the USSR after the German/Soviet pact.
To this day, these chunks are part of modern Ukraine & Belarus.
I said legally, because when Poland gained indpendence from the Russian Empire in 1915 they got to take the western parts of Ukraine and Belarus under the condition that these lands would enjoy large autonomy from Poland.
That the Ukrainian and Belarus majority in these lands would be allowed to use their native tounges in schools and official offices.
Poland agreed on paper but ignored it in practice enforcing the polish language and removing all autonomy.
In other words they violated the agreement on which they got these lands, and so the USSR as a successor state of the Russian Empire had legally every right to take back these lands.
As for forcing their own system and ideas on Poland, well that's normal.
The western allies did the same thing with western germany, south korea and japan.
I'm not saying that one is better than the other, I'm just saying that everyone did it. Including captain america.
Not only that but the US/UK/France alliance was against german unification. Because you know, money & power.

Red china didn't exist during WW2. The red movement was fragmented and basically a terrorist group during the time.
USSR on the other hand did win WW2, if you go by the german bodycount. The Soviets killed more germans than any other country.
On the other hand, the USSR had the most casualties of all the participants too. Civilian and military.
The biggest victim of Nazi Germany is the USSR, not the jews.
It said that about 5 million jews died, well that's nothing compared to 30 million dead soviets.

 

Did the majority of the civilians die in battle, or were they lined up on the streets and shot execution style, gassed, etc.?

 

All in all 5 million jews died, including starvation, battle and execution.
10 million soviet civilians were victims of "military activity and crimes against humanity".
6 million more civilians died of "war related disease and famine".
The rest were military casualties.

 

I'm not defending the Nazis but a lot of those casualties are a result of the Soviets own tactics. One man with a rifle, One man behind him with a clip, and a row of machine guns to mow down anyone that retreats.

 

i guess something like this...

 

In reality there was no "artificial famine", but just corruption and stuff + bad weather. Local leaders made things fucked up beyond imagination. There are people who still alive and were there (like my friend's grandmother) and they know the truth better. And how you'll create an "artificial famine"? Burning crops with napalm, poisoning stuff? It never happened.

Yeah and with all that democracy talks, every fucking country except Vatican and maybe Switzerland and small island countries, got it's own versions of Gulag. Guantanamo and other secret prisons anyone? It's even worse than any 30s dictatorships actually - no documents, no courts, nothing - they don't like your face, like you look like some terrorist or just dug too deep in government's/corporations secrets - you can disappear there or your body will just disappear in the closest incineration plant. Speaking of counter-terrorism as some countries view it - one unlucky guy was killed in explosion along with other innocent people - just because he looked almost indentical to some terrorist freak.

 

Maybe you should do a little research before comparing gunatanamo to a Gulag or forced labor camp the likes of which are still in use in North Korea..

An artificial famine could be caused by improper food distribution due to corruption or an over-arching plan to starve off the common people in favor of stock piling stores for the military.

 

A lof? Of those 30million? Or of the 13 million military personnel? No. I imagine that policy was effective enough for it to be rarely applied in practice.

Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group".
So there you have it, that's what genocide means.
Casualties of official policies, ok. Victims of genocide, no.

Guantanamo is so much better then a labour camp, right? smh
Labour camps like those still in use in California and Oregon you mean?

The word artificial suggests that it was done on purpose. Like it was designed by someone. IMHO the Soviet famine of 1932-1933 was a direct result of a lot of wrong decisions along with corruption. I do not believe it was created on purpose.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/18/w...al-japanese-army-officer-dies-at-91.html?_r=1

 

Well, there's a whole other discussion right there, but it mostly boils down to (imo) the fact that this was a completely new weapon and the Japanese (and pretty much everyone else) had no idea just how many of these devices could actually be built (ie there might have been only one nuke) and whether it was a practical, deliverable weapon, or if the Americans 'just got lucky'. Interesting wiki article here covers most of the salient points:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

Personally, I reckon they should of invited representatives of the major powers to the Trinity test, let them watch it go off and then say "Any questions?".