Can't believe is happening again...

Shadowlayer, I was just teasing Taucias. That doesn't mean he's wrong in his view.

 

The difference is that I own both consoles GOH. I just call it as I see it.

 

go look at the back of guadian, near the sniper rifle. on halo 3.

it's a texture that looks straight out of a psx game...repeated for the whole building

 

I don't see the PS3 outperforming the 360 any time soon. It has less memory in practice, the GPU is less powerful and unless coders are gonna take the extra time and money (of which game making already takes a lot of), the CPU is less powerful. Because the SPEs aren't general purpose processors, the 360s 3 cores compared to the PS3s 1 means that the 360 is going to continue to recieve improved versions of multi-platform games, as has been the case so far. Throw in Microsoft's developer tools (which are widely seen as superior) and DirectX, which means much better PC ports (cough Orange Box), and I think that the 360 is a better platform in reality.

Of course Microsoft decided to fuck everything up with the thermal design and make us all get the RRoD. That and the lack of support in Japan means that the 360 is gonna be having a rough time, but as long as Too Human and some other exclusives this year are stellar titles, it should be ok in the long run.

 

I think that site was debunked as stupid. VG Chartz is suppose to be better, but I dunno.

I just hope something badass like Gears 2 is out this year.

Of course, absolutly no system will matter at all when Duke Nukem Forever descends upon us like a mighty pheonix and destroys everything in it's path. Unless it's on systems, I guess.

 

Well, I mean, if you compare the sales of 360s to the time period in which Halo 3 came out to... now... yeah, it would seem a lot smaller? There's also not much with mainstream appeal coming to the 360 at the moment. Though I imagine once Fable 2 comes around and Gears of War 2 sales will shoot right back up. Its just that MS has played their hand. Last year was... insane for the 360. It laid waste to both of the competitors libraries combined to this point in one year. I mean, yes, there's going to be a lull right now, because everyone and their Mom HAS a 360.

After how many price cuts and discontinued versions?

Oh I don't know. I wouldn't say its over for any console in any region yet. If MS can keep plugging away at those JRPGs and actually keep them exclusive, eventually they might make some headway in Japan. I guess Blue Dragon 2 will do a decent amount for them, its a shame Lost Odyssey didn't though. But Microsoft says they have a lot more JRPGs being developed for the 360, so we shall see.

GT5 I'll give you. GTA4 is going to be on the 360 as well and better. MGS, while critically acclaimed, hasn't been that big of a seller as of late.

Maybe for people that don't play videogames and sit around on Myspace or playing The Sims all day. For the rest of us, its kind of worthless really.

Mmm... the problem is BluRay is never going to reach the level of success DVD did. Going from DVD--> BluRay is in no form or fashion as big a jump as going from VHS-->DVD. And it is WAY too soon for Joe Consumer to be rebuying his movie collection now.

Aren't PS3s starting to die? I know at our store several people have come in talking about their PS3s just not turning on anymore. I don't know, at one point the 360s problems were just a murmur that everyone dismissed as well, so we shall see. But hey, at least Microsoft is busting their ass to make good on the mistake they made.

Didn't some developers start cancelling the PS3 versions of their games due to low sales and it being too expensive to make? Like, that Fuel of War game or whatever? And a few others?

That would be because the 360 is a lot easier to program for sir.

I didn't realize there was that much of a difference now. Of course, "ease of programming" isn't what gets developers jumping on a console. THAT would be sales numbers. And the game sales from the past few months have said... ;-)

Really? I think Home is going to make XBLive look efficient, if anything.


Anywho, I still think the 360 is going to stay on top in the US. Gears of War is poised to become as big, if not bigger, than Halo. Thats what Microsoft needed, another Halo. Add to this fact the fact that Bungie is still going to remain 360 exclusive, Mass Effect is still going to be 360 exclusive, and I don't see MS having many troubles. They still have the far superior game library, and regardless of Sony's Second Life knock-off, they will still have the best online service for playing games.

But really, what you have to consider with MS is this:
Their hand was played in 2007. Everything everyone was hyped for came out in 2007. From Crackdown to Forza 2, from Forza 2 to Halo 3, from Halo 3 to Mass Effect. Microsoft thoroughly stomped Sony in '07. But now... what? Everything is out. Most people that wanted the great line-up Microsoft announced back in '06... now have it. MS is kind of in a lull now, they have no massive games coming out. I mean, Too Human and Alan Wake look cool, but will they sell a billion 360s? Eh, I doubt it. Ninja Gaiden 2 should do good for MS though. As will Halo Wars and Fable 2.

But really, its all going to come down to GDC and E3. The consumer pretty much knows what Sony has coming for the next two years or so. MGS4, GT5, FFXIII and its one million variations, White Knight, Little Big Planet, etc. This is most certainly not the case with Microsoft. I have no idea whats coming out later on THIS year, let alone in '09. If Microsoft comes out between now and the end of E3 and goes, "Hey look, its Gears of War 2" or "Hey, would you guys like a slice of Killer Instinct 3?" or "Check this out, the new Tales game is exclusive on our console!" or "Here's the new Forza, and here's the new Mass Effect" or better yet, "Hey, here's the new game from Bungie!" then Microsoft will be fine. Really, all they need is to announce Gears of War 2, I think that would leave them sitting pretty.

In so far as Japan, well, they'll just keep plugging away at the JRPGs I suppose. Blue Dragon 2 has been announced (sadness... I so want Lost Odyssey 2...) and Cry On might do something, maybe. And supposedly MS has a lot more in store. But hey, I don't know whats coming out, you don't know whats coming out, so we shall just have to wait and see. :110:

I do hope MS adopts holographic storage for their next console though instead of going with BluRay. A much needed return to instant load times would be nice.

 

The PS3 has caught up, graphically, to the 360 already, with a year less in the market. Burnout Paradise and CoD4 are considered (according to EDGE and Eurogamer) to be graphically as good on the PS3 as they are on the 360. They may be exceptions rather than the rule at this stage, but it's a trend that's undeniable. In four years time, is the suggestion that PS3 games will still be inferior to the 360s? I don't think so. The drawback of Microsoft making the hardware so easy to exploit is less graphical progression over time. Developers are yet to get to grips fully with the PS3 architecture, but I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with it when they do.

 

This is another thing that bugs me. People with 360's are actually playing the games they wanted, not waiting. All my friends with PS3 just talk about what good games are coming. Reminds me of PS2 vs DC yet again.

 

And just like the DC its the people that want to actually play videogames on their videogame system that buy 360s whereas its people who want to watch movies that buy PS3s. :110:

I must say, a part of me died when a console with a God awful game library stamped out a console with one of the best game libraries a console had had in years. Oh if only Sega wasn't broke at the time. :-(

 

I think there's plenty of games out now for my ps3 gaming. I had 30 xbox 360 games and a sizable gamerscore, so I did play the xbox a lot. I'd still have it now though, if it wasn't such a piece of shit. I haven't even really looked much ahead to any big ps3 games, since I'm still playing stuff out now. MGS4 is just Sony's Halo. Let them hype it up like MS did Halo 3. Probably won't see it on cans of soda though.

I won't lie, xbox live was great, and will still be much better than home..which doesn't really appeal to me. I'd rather click on a few menus to chat with friends, rather than virtually walk to their apartment in a program. Even with that, I'm seeing multiplatform games that are already on par with the 360, when even months ago they weren't. Consoles are only as good as the games, and the ps3 games are getting better. With bluray killing HD-DVD's ass, Sony can make more price cuts to the ps3 to push it into more homes. They'll make money off bluray being the sole HD format now.

 

Piracy killed the dreamcast.

If it had been a mod chip then they could have ridden it out, not everyone would have fitted one at the same time so it wouldn't look so bad on the balance sheet.

 

piracy isn't the only reason it died. The DS has a far easier method of piracy, yet it still keeps does fine. For a lot of people, to pirate dreamcast games in 2000, you had to have a cd burner and fast enough internet to download 500MB games in a decent amount of time. I still had dial up then. Then you had to burn the cd in a program like Alcohol 120%. Hardly something as easy or convenient to the common person as buying a R4 cartridge off the internet and using a microSD memory card that's so common, it's used in anything from cell phones to digital cameras.

 

Sony have already proven that the PS3 didn't have a 10-year lifespan. They have already altered how the PS3 was supposed to be like. Not only lack of minor details like fewer USB ports, no memory card slots and no SW BC, but also major hardware revisions like a different CPU and removal of HW BC.

 

Yeah, when I had a Dreamcast in it's prime I really never knew anyone who pirated stuff for it, except for PC and PS games.

 

Red Ring of Death

 

Are they still as big of a problem? I thought the majority of breaking down systems are the older ones. I haven't had one since last summer. Now watch it die.

 

the new ones still die, and so do elites. Add that to the fact that they give refurbished consoles from early 2006 back to people who sent their RROD 360 in, and the circle keeps going. The 360's still die because MS doesn't really care. It's cheaper to shovel out refurbished launch 360's as they come in than it is to design a better quality console, then replace all incoming RROD 360's with new consoles.

The only thing worse than having one 360 die, is having 3 of them die, then to have MS send you a virtual launch console in the year 2008. I don't care how many exclusives they get, I'll never buy another MS product in my life.

 

MS doesn't care? Really? So thats why Bill Gates said one of the last things he's going to do at MS is make sure 360s are rid of these problems?

 

Bluray was the only factor in consideration when buying Playstation 3 as a device for me, gaming was a second and is a bonus if the games are any good.

Overall PS3 is one of the most competitively priced media devices on the market, great piece of kit.