Can't believe is happening again...

yes, they don't care. Who cares what bill gates said. He's not really in charge of anything anymore, and if he had personally cared from the beginning, they wouldn't be dealing with this mess 2 years after the fact. He's not going to personally go down to assembly lines in china or mexico and tell them to assemble the console better. He's not going to personally approve better, more expensive parts be used to improve quality. He's not going to personally design a better 360. He's not going to personally answer the phone to deal with angry customers. It was all just PR spin. What did you want him to say? That the 360 is the leading next gen console right now, so they don't have to care about design flawed consoles dying, since people will stick with it regardless?

What showed me they didn't care was opening my replacement box, only to see the 360 was from 2006, which didn't even power on when I plugged it in. Seriously? They couldn't fucking take 3 seconds to test it out before they sent a broken 360 back to someone that just had one die. It's horrible to treat a customer this way, much less one that had 3 die in less than a year. To top it off, after I cancelled Live, I got charged when it was originally set to expire, because the morons never did cancel my account.

MS's whole xbox division is shit, all the way down from console design to customer service. My experience is probably extreme, and may not even be the norm, however at every possible point, MS has shit on me.

 

It does sound like you got a cleveland steamer man. I've had the same amount of deaths, but I never got an older system. Maybe I was lucky. I sold my old one for an Elite Falcon now though.

I always kind of thought the Xbox stuff was pretty cool. I think both Xbox consoles have really advanced games. I just have to say, it does suck that the systems die, but they at least try to replace them. I guess some people just got the shaft though. Imagine how many people got dead PS2's that swore off PS stuff!

 

Hate to ruin this party but....this seems like a fanboy war.

A little more mature than the ones on other forums but.....a fanboy war none the less.....aren't we above that?

Like I'm one to talk but still.

 

Does anyone remember this ? http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154

I still laugh everytime I read it... I think the biggest mistake with gaming and what Microsoft has done is created an atmosphere that feels like Myspace. Gaming to me was never about social networking perse- If you played someone of calibur you would remember them (mostly speaking of fighters). Regardless the PSN Network is not a bad service at all, and there is credibility to the fact with a game like Warhawk, they house their own dedicated servers, which are the PS3 Hardware. Obviously with RROD issues, this would be a bad idea on the 360.

There are things MS has done right, for what its worth it is a solid system. I think the marketing team, these blogs all their staff has made actually hurts them more than it does good to them. The biggest kicker for me was the fact they always say 'We want to give consumers a choice' ... which is anything but the truth. Look how many SKU's they shove in your face, look at all the peripherals that are not integrated. I'm not condeming them for being Capitalist, but just be upfront about it, that damn wifi dongle still cost $100 dollars... Secondly, look at Major Nelsons blog- what used to be a valued source for information is now nothing more than automated blogspam on what content is released everyday. The best part about the XBOX1 days were just the underground movement which was the complete opposite of what MS produced, which gave it harmony in a sense.

I think the better days of the PS3 are ahead, using the service since launch it has come quiet away, but is still not perfect and has flaws. For a total home entertainment center package- it outweighs the 360 greatly. But if you are really just about the games for now the 360 is a solid cash cow for developers.

 

I don't really see that. Even though I have built up venom for the 360, I admitted that it does great things. The 360 is great while it works. While I'll never buy another one, Live is a wonderful sleek service that will still run circles around Home and it's bloated up pointlessness. I don't see myself ever using Home. You also can't even read or send messages while in a ps3 game. I will miss the things like the 360 old spice competitions where you and 15 XBL friends could play for achievements to win a best buy gift card. That was a nice way to expand a friends lists, as well as playing new games. Besides the immature retards, XBL is a nice community once you build up a decent friends list. It's a shame that the console ruins a great experience.

The ps3 is the console I own, and it's nice to get multiplatform games that are as good as the 360 versions. I'd feel the same way I do about the 360 if my ps3 died as much and I got equally as shitty customer service. I just felt that the ps3 forced installation argument isn't valid, since it's really only Capcom doing it.

 

What are you going to do if the PS3 somehow dies? :110:

 

I'll buy a super nintendo and call it a day.

 

I don't think so. Most of the people here I think, including myself, own more than one of the current gen consoles and can therefore have well founded opinions. The only thing we speculate about is marketing and corporate strategies.

I think you should speak for yourself.

 

I personally own a PS3 and a wii. I have never been a fan of microsoft's service or systems. I read about how they treat their customers, and about their lies and I just laugh at everyone defending them. Microsoft nickle and dimes you on just about every level. Atleast with the PS3 you dont need to buy a play and charge kit for the wireless controller, a $100 wireless adapter just to use the system wirelessly, or even pay $60 a year to play online. When the PS2 constantly got the DRE issue, sony fixed it by fixing systems with that issue for free...sort of simmilar to the method microsoft is taking...but I ALWAYS got my system I sent them back...never a already done model. I feel sony's customer service is better in just about every aspect. I have never been ill treated by them. If microsoft cared about their customers they would never have sent the 360 out in the state its in. They did not test their consoles before releasing them to the public..this is the cause for sooo many broken ones. They still do not test them before sending them back...as Johnny Vodka here even points out. Microsoft isn't providing their customers a service by extending their warrenty to 3 years either as they should not be in this situation in the 1st place. IF they care'd they would have tested everything out beforehand and made sure the system was built well before releasing it into the general public. Practices such as all these I stated show me microsoft is not a company worth supporting in any way, shape, or form. I will stick with sony, and nintendo personally.

 

and I still won't talk to you until you get a 360

 

Back in my day, it was all about the games.

Seems those have taken a backseat since last gen though...

 

It's a fanboy war going on here.

Nobody will win.

Deal with it.

Let it die.

 

Lock time

 

I agree 100% with that. But also, back in the day...when I was growing up anyway, the consoles were not made like crap. Sega's Master System, and Nintendo's NES were new when I was a kid. NES's had their flaws w/ the blinking red light but were easilly fixed. The Sega Master System worked flawlessly IMO.

Than as I got a bit older the Genesis/SNES wars started. That again showed that it was all about games. Genesis consoles and Super Nintendo Consoles rarely if at all EVER gave out. A console breaking was just not a problem back then. Nowadays, you can not make just a system to play games on. The average joe consumer wants a media center that plays games...which is what the PS3 and 360 both offer. The technology is advanced and the system is complex. Things break more because of this. Because of these facts, the gamer has to worry about such things on top of which system offers the most compelling games/gameplay/features.

I pick my systems solely on games. I dont have a HDTV so I dont care that my PS3 plays blu-ray. I could care less about storing music or movies on it. I use it to play games on. I am probably one of the few left that actually cares more about games than media center features, especially since I know a lot of people get the PS3 for blu-ray playback.

 

If you cared about games you'd own a 360 All the genres you care about RPGs, Shmups ect are best represented on the 360.

 

If you cared about games you'd spend more time playing them and less time arguing about them on forums....

 

The Ps3 is getting some sweet fighters this year, which I can not wait for. Aside from that...you may forget but I bought a japanese 60 GB PS3. MY Ps3 can play all the JP PS2 shmups(there are lots of them), as well as the Ps1 ones. MY Dreamcast, Saturn, Neo Geo MVS etc can take care of the rest of them. 360 is not needed for me.

 

I just hope by the end of the year, if I have some extra cash I can find a 20GB/60GB so I can still have BC. I need my PS1 games.

 

Piracy barely put a dent in DC sales. Software sales were strong throughout the systems life, and very few people had access to CD burners or broadband internet in 2000, never mind the knowledge of how to get and burn these files. The DC was frankly killed by Sega's lack of cash, and the hype of the PS2. It's commonly stated that DC gamers were the happiest during the early 2000s, suggest they bought more, and better games than PS2 gamers. If it was an issue, theyd've fixed the hole much much sooner, but as we can see, every system can run mil-CD code.

 

I think (someone will need to confirm) that PS1 games are backwards compatible on all PS3 systems, it's only PS2 backwards compatibility that's affected.