Good old Sammy, he thinks he know it all when in reality he knows jack sh*t

What exactly gives a PSone game more value than an NES game? This notion is absurd.

I'm currently giving serious thought to rebuying Hyper Duel, that's $200+ for a game with seven levels, am I being ripped off? Because I can guarantee you I'll wind up putting more time into it than I ever would with anything on the PSone.

 

Most likely it was but it does run "right". I tested it myself using all my modded systems with emulators and my SNES and Wii U. The VC emulates it closer to the actual SNES. I also noticed, although not by VC, the SNES9X on the original Wii, played the SNES games pretty good as well. The xbox and psp were much different. Some games ran either too slow, too fast, some glitches here and there, frameskips etc. Similar problems arose in the DS despite being a Nintendo system. It ran GBA, GBC games perfectly however, but console games not so perfect

 

Thank you for representing the Unbiased gamer race. Spoken like a true Videogame fanboy.

 

You can't compare a ROM run on an emulator to an actual physical product. The second one you can resell, for example.

Depends on whether you just buy games you're nostalgic for or if you actually want to play a gem you've missed a long time ago, and GOG would definitely fall into the latter category. XBLA and PSN also offer brand new games for the same price as one NES or SNES ROM.

You know how Netflix and Spotify have affected movie and music piracy to some extent by creating a legal way that's extremely cheap and more convenient than pirating? Well, VC definitely doesn't provide any real incentive for anyone to not pirate. Even the XBLA/PSN versions of games that are also on VC have online leaderboards and multiplayer while costing the same, but VC has nothing. So why would Average Joe pay $5 for one NES ROM instead of spending half an hour at most downloading the entire NES library for free?

 

Now that we're starting to find some common ground, you're becoming more of a Yin to my Yang, than a pain in my ass. So let me try to explain the whole price thing here It's Not that absurd. Considering on US PSN Mega Man 1-4 are ups and with slightly extra content over the NES Counter Parts. In the case of alot of these games especally the RPGs You are getting something that will last longer. It's not that I don't think NES games are worth buying over PS1 games, it's really what will I get for what I'm paying for. Simularly priced PS One games might last me longer than an NES game I'm buying for $5 that I memorized already 20+ Years ago. That said I think $10 is perfectly fair for Earthbound.

$200+ for Hyper Duel? An Arcade PCB might be cheaper but who has time for that? Meenwhile Gaia Seed and Zanac X Zanac are on PSN for $6 each both games are just as much as Hyper duel and every bit as good. Especially Gaia Seed. Great game and pretty challenging too.
But on the same end of the coin I did play $6 each for Super Star Soldier and Solder Blade on PSN. I did not feel they were over priced.

 

Because the average Joe doesn't know that "option" exists or realizes that something is fishy with it being "free".

 

Kinda like they realize there's something fishy about downloading music or movies for free, right?

 

Burn NES library on Sony branded disc, Play on Dreamcast with Saturn Pad. It's life changing.

 

On the Mega Man 1-4 pack:
What if I just want Mega Man 2? Or just Mega Man 3 and 4?

As for RPGs somehow having more value than other games, I call bullshit. You get an RPG on PSN and you play through it once. Then you get some NES game on the VC and you play through multiple times. Even if the two cost the same, you're still getting your money's worth out of both. And this works in general. You can say that YOU value PSone games more than NES games, but to ME PSone games aren't worth anything (I'd rather play something on me Saturn) while I'm more than happy to have a bunch of NES games on my 3DS (or NES/SNES on my Wii U).

The point is, you can't say "VC games aren't worth it PSone Classics offer better value!" because this is not a true statement for everybody, because I guarantee you someone out there has put more hours into SMB: Lost Worlds this year than you have put into your entire PSone Classics collection. It's basic economics: "Goods are worth what you're willing to pay for them."

As for Hyper Duel, it's one of my favorite games of all time and the only reason I sold mine way back when was because I thought Sega was about to start raping Tecno Soft's back-catalog (Tecno Soft Greatest Hits or some such nonsense). So my plan was to sell it while the price was high and rebuy when the price dropped after its re-release. This never happened though... so... now I gotta cough up more money. As for Gaia Seed, I don't see it and I'll never see it. On one hand, shooters with life-bars are retarded (exceptions: Cotton games and Super God Trooper Zeroigar... maybe a few more), especially when the life bars regenerate over time, it's like a shooter for CoD kiddies or something, on the other hand, I dunno, it just feels cheap and overrated IMO. Zanac X Zanac is fine if you like Compile, but I wouldn't put either of those games in the same conversation with Hyper Duel (specifically Saturn Mode, the original Arcade release is a bit mediocre, the Saturn mode is one of the very few times where a little spit & shine and adding one gameplay element (being able to lock your shot direction in mech mode) takes a game from "OK" to "One of the best ever".)

What if they have no intention of reselling it? Not every physical game purchase is an investment. I suspect my copy of Taromaru will be buried with me.

But Nintendo puts imports on the VC as well. And regardless, I certainly haven't played every NES/SNES/PC-Engine/Game Gear/Gameboy/etc. game ever made, so I can still find hidden gems on the VC as well.

Does an online leaderboard for Mega Man 2 make sense? Or an online leaderboard for The Legend of Zelda? How about online multiplayer for Legend of Zelda? How many NES games would it make sense to have online leaderboards and/or online multiplayer for? How can you complain about a service lacking certain features when the features don't make any sense for most of the games?

 

It's not a pack of 4 games it's just the Complete works 1-4 on PSN. I have No idea why 5 and 6 aren't there yet. Still good stuff. I think we will just have to agree to disagree here. You have no problem paying $5 for an NES game. I do think there's been enough pointless beef between us so for the sake of advancing the discussion I'll just agree to disagree.

I have played Hyper Duel IN FACT... ME PLAYING HYPER DUEL I like the game even though as time draws on I clearly have no idea what in the blue hell I'm doing. I got Gaia Seed blind and just becuase it has a life bar doesn't make it any less difficult. Look at Macross on the Super Famicom and how hard that game is with a Life Bar. Zanac X Zanac is just right for me in that, it's probably the one shmup I have right now I don't completely suck at. Will I at some point Invest in Hyper Duel on Saturn? Maybe I have other games on Saturn that are priorities right now and I'm going to have to start thinking about replacing the battery soon too.

 

Why? The Mega Man pack costs $5.99, you really wanna pay $10 to get those two separately on VC instead?

Yeah, and they actually have the gall to charge more for them just because they're imports, even though for the most part they have no translations or anything. Speaking of imports, another thing that really sucks about VC is that European gamers are forced to buy shitty PAL versions with 50hz only, massive borders, slower speed...no excuse for this shit in the 2000s.

Well, not online leaderboards or multiplayer specifically, but it really is a raw deal when there are no additional features in VC games. The VC price model of paying separately for single titles even within the same game series is ridiculous, they should at least offer deals for franchise packs or something. Otherwise they're really offering a shitty deal compared to stuff like the Ultimate Genesis Collection: 49 games for the price of 3 on VC plus a ton of extras.

 

^ This! Exact reason why I mostly care "only" about Nintendo of Japan & they're Games!! your absolutely right about everything that Nintendo of America does to shit on us EVERY SINGLE TIME! it never fails.

 

But there are other features. You can use save states and if you buy the games on the Wii U then you can play them on the Wii U gamepad screen. What other features do you want? And I've already pointed out that they offer sales all the time. And they did offer a sale on a franchise, when they put up 3 or 4 Kirby games if you bought 2 (or 3 if it was 4) of them you got the third for free.

At the end of the day, if you don't think it's worth it, then don't buy it. Some of us have no issue dropping a bank-breaking $5 on an NES classic though.

Well, that's the inferior arcade version. Saturn version is so much better

As for Gaia Seed, the life bar in it really does make it way too easy. Mind you, I don't have a problem with easy shooters (this is obvious considering that Blast Wind is my favorite game of all time). I just thought Gaia Seed was trash, and the life bar only strengthened that opinion. It was like, a Japanese developer trying to make a Euroshmup, which was just awkward.

No hate for Zanac X Zanac though. It was OK.

 

Hmm tempting me to invest in the Saturn version now. I'll spend more time with Gaia Seed before I make more judgements but so far I am enjoying it. I've also been playing Mamaroukun Curse that's a great balance of difficulty and playability.

So now the question is...how good is Kokuga?

Also, not that I need to but I do apologize, I think I've been too hard on you, Not just this thread but just over all. Then again I threw out any semblance of sanity I had in this thread when I brought up Gunpei.

 

Those must've been new to the Wii U, which I'm not familiar with since like most people, I don't own one. And one game on sale per month is pitiful.

€5 to play a shitty 50hz version is not a very good deal...

 

Saturn mode is worth it. They add a bit of rank, you can lock the direction of your shot in mech mode, and the upgraded the graphics. Interestingly enough, it's quite a bit more difficult than arcade mode as well (I've 1CC'd arcade mode, the final boss has prevented me from doing the same in Saturn Mode).

Kokuga is good. Here are some old comments I made on it elsewhere:
"The game feels very much like a classic Treasure game. I guess that means Iuchi's involvement is extremely obvious, but tonight while I played through it a lot of the levels really gave me that old school Treasure vibe where a lot of interesting and off-the-wall design elements were present. The boss fights are great, some being borderline puzzles, and the "final boss" being an absolute dick (that I still can't kill).

My only complaint is that this isn't a game you "play through" so to speak. You have a choice of 11 stages you can pick and then there are three "Final Missions" that are located on the perimeter of the stage grid that you can just play by beating a stage next to them. And once you beat a stage, you can only play stages in that vicinity. So basically, you pick a level, beat it, then go pick another level, so it's more like a bunch of score attack levels than anything. I've beaten 2 of the 3 Final missions, and they're all good.

But in general, the gameplay is awesome and the level design is great. I've had a blast with it so far and I'm looking forward to getting started on Hard and Ultimate difficulties. Still... Final 3 boss is a dick..."

Though I have since beaten the Final 3 boss... who is still a dick.

As for our beef, it's all good, I was pretty hard on you as well so I too apologize. :very_drunk:

No, those options are on the 3DS as well. In fact, the 3DS even offers various display options for some games.

As for the one game on sale a month:
Again, Nintendo is always running promotions. I just got $30 eShop credit for buying two games. Every month they offer up 3-4 games that you can buy with Club Nintendo points. And yeah, on the Wii U, they're offering one game on sale a month (well, sort of, technically they also had the Kirby sale at one point), but they've only got 10-15 games on the service right now, so that one game is pretty decent. I'm not complaining about getting Super Metroid for 30 cents.

Well, that's a European problem. Sucks for you guys, but it's not an issue for me.

 

It wouldn't need to be an issue if Nintendo put the slightest effort in and had the option for 60hz mode. Again, not much of incentive to buy the games when a free emulated ROM is better.

 

If not for Xenoblade coming to Europe before here, I'd swear Europe was always Nintendo's Forgotten land.

 

Sin & Punishment 2 came out in Europe before the US too. Other than a few things like that, Europe has been fucked over by Nintendo for years if not decades now.

 

I know Scandinavia got alot of NES Love the rest of Europe didn't. They were the only other region to offically get Mr Gimmick.