Hyper Neo Geo 64. Supergun Q's

Discussion in 'Neo Geo Discussion' started by Twimfy, Feb 5, 2009.

  1. Parris

    Parris I'm only here to observe...

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    The AssJAMMA lol

    It's a (Michael) Winner! :clap:

    I would have thought there would be tonnes of interest for Supergun boards, however perhaps due to the very nature of the hobby most people that are into it have a pretty good technical knowledge and can piece together their own?

    So much for dumb ***** like me huh?

    Twimfy: That's precisely the same as my unit. Don't the cards have to match the unit or some nonsense? I've not actually changed / looked at or even paid any attention to the unit since it was delivered 3 years ago by Sky TV.

    I am REALLY not a TV buff at all.
     
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  2. drakon

    drakon Gutsy Member

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    Honestly I don't think pcb collecting is that popular. Considering you have to build a custom case for each pcb unless you want to risk damaging it. And also hooking up each pcb can be different. Most guys who like arcade games just wind up building mame cabinets with 14 inch crt computer moniters they pulled out of the trash somewhere. Much like this

    [​IMG]

    And wait.....3 button neo geo games? Out of my MVS collection I have a total of.....1 game that doesn't use 4 buttons. I guess 3 buttons is okay if you don't like fighting games. Like....at all......
     
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  3. Jamtex

    Jamtex Adult Orientated Mahjong Connoisseur

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    If you a ham fisted idiot maybe, otherwise anti static bubble wrap and a strong cardboard box or a decent shelving unit does the job.

    Yes but that still doesn't change the fact that the majority of MVS games can work with 3 buttons or less. Granted you can't play one on one fighters but there is more to the Neo Geo then just KOF, FF, SS, AoF, etc.
     
  4. Parris

    Parris I'm only here to observe...

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    Most people I know just store their motherboards, cards etc wrapped in bubble wrap stacked on shelves and have perhaps 1 cabinet.

    I think collecting arcade material is more widespread & popular in various parts of the World than meets the eye.

    As for the Neo Geo titles needing more than 3 buttons... fair enough, but most of mine are 3 button lol - I don't have an extensive collection mind you.

    Going on the original Neo Geo cabinets I have seen that have not been modified, the button count tends to be low! I always laugh when I see overly 'buttoned' and modified cabinets with trackballs, 18 buttons per player, flashing LEDs etc.
     
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  5. Twimfy

    Twimfy Site Supporter 2015

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    Well I just purchased my first Arcade board. A Hyper 64 with a Fatal Fury cart, all for £20 inc p+p.

    I'm sure a Neo Geo 1 slot or something else may have been a better choice as you all suggested but it was research on the 64 that got me enthusiastic about the whole supergun idea in the first place so I'm gonna stick to my guns (pardon the potential pun) until I satisfy my curiosity.
     
  6. retro

    retro Resigned from mod duty 15 March 2018

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    Calm down, dear, it's only a suggestion! ;-) :lol:

    Nah, that's cool. If you're happy with it, that's fine. And to be honest, 20 quid is only going to get you one JAMMA board anyway, so the fact that you can play a few more games on it is a plus ;-)

    That said, I would still recommend a cheap, crappy board to do your initial testing, if you're building a Supergun. Something like a football game, or a pirate SF2. You should be able to pick one up for a tenner.

    For example:

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/powerstrike-j...14&_trkparms=72:1687|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318

    Errm, I'm not sure what that is! Is that like Aleste?

    Ahh, here ya go:

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Prisoner-Of-W...14&_trkparms=72:1687|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318

    SNK game ;-)
     
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  7. Parris

    Parris I'm only here to observe...

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    Nah, go on, test your first Supergun with a Lindbergh - go on!!! Live a little ;-)

    As soon as I saw the avatar I knew. I just KNEW you'd bought the Hyper, but good on you! Too much about gaming is about having (allegedly) the best and showing off (oooo, I bought my third Viewlix last night, la de da!) when in fact I personally feel it's about having a bit of fun and satisfying your curiosity.

    A while back I bought a Konami board (System 573) which is in effect a Playstation 1. To be honest, it's a beautiful looking piece of hardware. Really well designed and despite it being hidden inside an arcade, is really cool sweet, but like the Hyper, it isn't going to rock many people!

    Let us know how you get on. £20 for a motherboard and game is very reasonable indeed, especially if you end up liking the game. If not, you've not wasted much.

    I rummage around and tend to buy cheap, cheap hardware and do it up. There is no way I could even compete with the big arcade fish with their brand new Japanese imports and latest titles. Nah, enjoy the hobby at a level that suits is what I say!
     
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  8. retro

    retro Resigned from mod duty 15 March 2018

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    Why am I not surprised to hear a Scot say that? :lol:

    Nah, it's the way to go. More fun that way ;-)
     
  9. Parris

    Parris I'm only here to observe...

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    It gets worse, I am a Scot with a smattering of Yorkshire in in my background, so doubly tight with money! Akin to one of those stones people squeeze to obtain blood from lol
     
  10. drakon

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    20 pounds why would you need a cheaper pcb to test? That's a pretty cheap deal right there (assuming you already know that it works). I guess from the price aspect the more money you spend the better your supergun looks. I spent a whopping 200$ canadian on my supergun and it looks like it's worth just that much. Honestly hooking up the 4th neo geo button really isn't very difficult. But if you only play 3 button games then I guess you have no need. And I prefer to build cheap cases for my pcbs. yes when they're in storage they don't need it. But when it's out in the open and you have friends over someone might spill a drink or do something else. And it's always good to be safe. Especially considering these cases cost me under 20$ canadian to make. And some pcbs aren't so cheap. My suggestion is you buy the parts just to get the supergun running first. Then once everything is running and tested worry about all the bells and whistles.
     
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  11. Twimfy

    Twimfy Site Supporter 2015

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    I don't have any friends. (well, not within 300 miles)

    Sound words all the same. The way my games room is set up the unit will probably sit up quite high and out of the way so it's unlikely it will get knocked or damaged and for £20 it wouldn't be the end of the world, nobody wants these Neo Geo 64's so they're ten a penny across ebay however I love to play around with cases and mods so in all likelyhood I'll probably try some kind of consolization.

    Seeing as I will have the fighting MOBO (and hence more games to swap around) I was considering doing something with a Sega CD and MD 1 ( I have about 4 of them), looking at the unit in pictures I think I'd be able to get the mobo into the mega cd unit (I may be horribly wrong about the sizes, the NG64 doesn't look that big but what do I know?) with a hollowed out section on top for switching the cart with the supergun inside the MD on top which would sit over the cart.

    Bit of a crude idea but I've seen worse. There's a guy on ebay right now who is selling a Neo 1 slot modded inside a Neo Geo CD-Z, such a waste of a console case.
     
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  12. Borman

    Borman Digital Games Curator

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    The NG64 is a monster of a board, really quite heavy. Its a ton bigger then the pictures make it out to be, trust me :p
     
  13. Twimfy

    Twimfy Site Supporter 2015

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    Bugger.

    Ah well, haven't even got my Supergun started yet so best focus on that. Just waiting for my Dad to head back to Sudan so I can start soldering without interference and over the shoulder commenting.
     
  14. retro

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    Yeah, yer not getting that in a Mega CD! And what were you saying about waste of a console? If you don't want the Mega CD, give it to me! My "friend" borrowed mine years ago! :-(

    Good God, Parris - that's a horrible combination! Is your wallet actually sewn into your trousers? :lol:

    You missed my point entirely. He WANTS the Hyper. He makes a supergun, but makes a wiring mistake. BANG! Dead Hyper. He just killed the board he wants. Had he bought a £10 piece of crap bootleg or football game that noone gives a shit about, who'd care? Blowing up a game you wanted would suck.
     
  15. Twimfy

    Twimfy Site Supporter 2015

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    Quick question. Which PC power supply should I buy. AT or ATX (I heard AT will have the -5v for the Hyper) and does it matter what watt outage it is?
     
  16. Jamtex

    Jamtex Adult Orientated Mahjong Connoisseur

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    How cack handed would you have to be to miswire up a Supergun? Simple multimeter would do to check the voltages and connections.
     
  17. retro

    retro Resigned from mod duty 15 March 2018

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    AT or ATX, but ATX 2.0 removed the -5V - I did a post on drakon's -5V games thread on this. Or an arcade PSU.

    100W or above is fine. Just look to see that they have the right current output on each line - something like 10A on the +5V, 2A on the +12V and on the others 0.5A should suffice, 1A to be safe. You can check the manual for its power requirements.

    Just because you might be an expert with a soldering iron doesn't mean everyone is. People make mistakes. And people are often soldering for the first time, or near enough. It happens. Look around the net for botched mod chip installs. You'll find loads. So yeah, it is possible that someone could accidentally misread something or write their notes down incorrectly. Do you code? Have you NEVER done something stupid like missed out a semicolon in PHP, misspelt a word, or put some code in the wrong place by mistake? You get an error, look to see where the error lies, correct it and laugh at your noobishness. In electronics, the error comes in the form of nothing happening or a bang.

    Yeah, for me personally, it shouldn't happen. However, I once had an issue where the lamp I was using to see what I'm soldering got a short. As a result, I had a live leak to earth, which ran through my soldering iron. Very painful. And what happened? I dropped the iron. Luckily for me, it didn't do any damage (to the circuit or me), but it could have.
     
  18. drakon

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    mvs inside of a cdz case? Yuck. I really like the mvs casing that ben heck made. Looks amazing.

    [​IMG]

    his mvs cab is damn sexy too

    [​IMG]

    screen is a little small but oh well, still looks great

    as for psus I bought a 25$ canadian atx 2.whatever. No -5v but none of my pcbs use that. It powers my supergun/pcb, case cooling fan, and rgb to s-video encoder happily all at once. 400w

    and retro...would it be hard to find another 20 pound neo 64? As for soldering iron experience I agree with you. I've been soldering since I was like.....10.....maybe 12. I've met so many people who've bunged things up with a soldering iron or just from general messing around with electronics because of lack of experience. Like my one buddy who fried his 200$ pcb......ouch......That's why I recommend to people to start small and work their way up. That's why I didn't get myself a ketsui until I'd been happily supergunning a mvs and sf2 ww pcb for atleast a month to make sure everything was happy and wouldn't go "bang"
     
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  19. Twimfy

    Twimfy Site Supporter 2015

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    It wouldn't be hard to find another £20 64 but I don't burn money as a hobby.
     
  20. retro

    retro Resigned from mod duty 15 March 2018

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    That's why I'd rather kill a £10 board than a £20 board ;-)

    There was a PCB I meant to buy the other day but didn't get home in time. Went for 99p + £4 postage :-(

    OMG! That MVS cab is UGGGG-LYYY!! Yuck! I'd much rather have an original - either one of the wooden ones (preferably the red, the green one wasn't much of a looker) or a candy.

    http://www.hardmvs.com/html/cabphotos.htm
     
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