Oven baked 360 mmmmmmmmmm

Discussion in 'Modding and Hacking - Consoles and Electronics' started by johnace, Jun 7, 2009.

  1. MentalMan

    MentalMan Spirited Member

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    I'd like to put my baby up in the row of OvenBox's! After serving me for a year and a half or something, it broke down and it went through all stages of red rings. First the E74 error, one ring. Then first trys to fix it, two rings. Then the final death warrant, 3 rings. After some more trys it didnt even boot up anymore, PSU gave me a red light too, lol.

    But today was about time it got shoved into the oven, meant to do that since a long while. And sure enough, Back to life it came!

    I also undertook several modifications to keep it from ever red ringing again. Even snuck in an extra fan for the CPU, may be unnecessary but its fucking ice cold!

    Here's a ass ugly picture, im too excited to try to get it a little better. My handy sucks.

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    All hail the mighty oven. First pizza, now this! What's it gonna do next to enchant me?
     
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  2. feder

    feder Gutsy Member

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    Congratulations! Have fun with your "zombie" XBOX! Just kidding
     
  3. MentalMan

    MentalMan Spirited Member

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    Thanks! Yea, it sure is a zombie box now haha.. and it will stay like that for a few more days. I am all out of thermal paste, and what I managed to put on the two chips will likely not be enough for some real gaming...

    But luckily this is an easy fix, gotta get me some high quallity stuff and then I will be able to play Gay Tony just fine! :nod:
     
  4. johnace

    johnace Grumpy Old Man

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    Just to let you know that the cpu doesnt need the extra fan (i've done it but it still rrod after) its the gpu that cooks itself lol.....oh and mine is still working at the moment but i did a 12v mod to the rear fans and drilled a few hole on the top so it sucked air through rather than pushing air through.

    Good luck and keep us updated with how long it lasts/if any other symptoms arise.
     
  5. MentalMan

    MentalMan Spirited Member

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    I fully agree, its most definitely the gpu lol. I Think I will just end up removing that extra fan again, the noise is just unbareable.

    I have done the 12v mod for one of the rear fans, the one for the GPU. Do you think the rear fan on the CPU side needs 12v too? If I remove the extra fan I put in, I may as well do both rear fans 12v?! Hmm, curious!

    In any case I hope to get some Arctic Silver 5 or some similiar good thermal paste in the comming week, then I can finally do some proper stress testing and leave it idle some time.

    I do have to disable the extra fan for this though, its impossible to sit on your pc doing something while having an airplane idling next to your ear. I'm glad to hear from you that this Fan is useless lol. As well as hearing that yours is still running as well, the oven seems like the holy ashes of pheonix for the 360.

    Im gonna report back when I "finished" up and had it run under load for a couple of hours. :thumbsup:
     
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  6. Tomcat

    Tomcat Familiar Face

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    You guys doing this are aware that doing this can release toxic chemicals into your oven.... Your over where you cook you food?
     
  7. MentalMan

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    I wouldnt really worry about it, since over 80% of the board was insulated and stuffed with cotton t-shirts, as well as a final cover of aluminium foil. I pretty much did it exactly like johnace and only had the 3 chips exposed.

    And since nothing blew apart or even remotly gave off a weird smell, I have no worrys there ;)

    I was worrying more about the odd smell of my oven when pre-heating it, damn, some cheese or something must have fallen to the bottom and fryed to smelly oblivion. :eek:h:
     
  8. johnace

    johnace Grumpy Old Man

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    My 360's dead again...slightly over 4 months of hardcore gaming finally saw the old boy off to the tragically overcrowded 360 afterlife :crying:

    This console will not be revived its been through quite afew repair procedures (Xclamp fix,overheating fix,dvd rom repaired,eject button replaced,e74 fix then last chance saloon oven fix) since i bought it on launch day and i think its had all the life span i could squeeze from it....now i just have my falcon console left and if that dies i think ill just buy a jasper unit :110:.

    R.I.P Launch Xenon console
    :crying:2005-2009 :crying:
     
  9. undamned

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    Thanks for the honesty. I think tons of people report "X fix got my XBOX 360 running again!" and then when it takes a crap again they never speak up, they just go buy a new one and leave everyone else thinking that whatever fix they used was some sort of panacea.
    -ud
     
  10. johnace

    johnace Grumpy Old Man

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    Unfortunately there is no way to combat bad design and only after opening up a 360 can you see just how bad the design is...i mean whoever decided to put the gpu under the dvd with no airflow and a 10mm thick heatsink needs to be fired and banned from the computer industry for life
     
  11. MentalMan

    MentalMan Spirited Member

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    Haha, thats right! I call for an old fashioned hanging actually.

    When I opened it up the first time I couldnt help myself laughing at the massive heatmarks on the shielding on the top-case part. Both from CPU and the DVD Drive. The dvd drive alone gets extremly hot and if you play 5-6 hours of multiplayer madness with a friend you got lots of disc reading problems until it cools down again.

    Still have no paste but I removed the extra fan for now and hooked up both rear fans at 12v.

    Until I think of a worthwhile addition to extra cooling and slap some paste on there that will be it, then we'll see how long it'll last.

    @johnace, you mentioned you put up extra holes in the case for air flow. Would you mind illustrating at which spot? I have a good guess but i'd like to know anyway, maybe it helps :nod:

    edit: The whole GPU heatsink and DVD drive placement issue is so bad I would just love to place the dvd drive outside. I wouldnt mind, rather be curious of what airflow and cooling would be created through this. But I dont have any sata and power cables for such a drive. (The original cables are most likely too short?)
     
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  12. johnace

    johnace Grumpy Old Man

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    I did a thread about a intake fan idea i had...but it had unforeseen side affects so it was removed but you can see where i drilled the holes on the picture.

    Click me :110:
     
  13. MentalMan

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    Thank you! :nod: Exactly the spot I was imagining, maybe I get to this myself at some point.
     
  14. alecjahn

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    I would think cooling the CPU any more without cooling the GPU even more than that would have adverse affects. The temperature sensor is in the CPU. The system may think "hey, this shit is runnin pretty cool!" and slow the rear fans down (of course, sans any fan-voltage mods). Then the CPU would be it's nice sweet chill temp, and the GPU would be even hotter than normal, as it would be receiving LESS airflow than intended. The system would be nonethewiser.

    Make sense? Maybe?
     
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  15. johnace

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    Thats what i realised when i did the intake fan mod (read my other thread) and maybe it was that little bit of hot running that made it die alittle faster.
     
  16. MentalMan

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    Sense you make, indeed. However since I run the stock fans at 12v permanent there's no real sensor necessary because it dosnt need to control the speed of it.

    I suppose though the auto-shutdown is controlled after the crappy placed sensors? If thats the case, the GPU will get too hot either way lol. If its near the cpu it dosnt really matter for the gpu now does it?

    How can we even try to talk about sense when the matter of discussion is a xbox 360, lol!

    But yeah its removed and looks like many people as well as our johnace tryed it as well and dosnt do much difference, or good for that matter.

    SENSE!
     
  17. MentalMan

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    Alright, picked up some paste today with silver compound and it does the trick so far.

    After a round of PGR and letting it idle in the replay for at least 45mins it was clear it wouldnt overheat.

    Then I popped in some GTA4 since I think its the most stressful game I got for the system, been playing for a couple of hours and still no signs of overheat. It's ice cold in fact, but then again my room is too :110:

    One happy, Green 360.

    [​IMG]

    We'll see how it will do in the comming days, weeks or possibly months. Still got the case off obviously and I dont see a reason to put it back on just yet... maybe later some day, still would rather like to sort a couple of issues with the retarded design the overall unit and how it sits together.
     
  18. johnace

    johnace Grumpy Old Man

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    A friend of mine used a cpu heatsink for the gpu, strapped a fan to the front of each heatsink,9v modded the rear fans and placed the dvd rom in a hd-dvd case at the side of the main unit and it hasnt missed a beat, in fact it even gets cool to the touch....but it looks ugly as sin and is a bitch to move about lol
     
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  19. l_oliveira

    l_oliveira Officer at Arms

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    LOL

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    Perhaps it look like that ? (Well in mine the DVD has no case yet...)
     
  20. MentalMan

    MentalMan Spirited Member

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    lol thats sweet, I wouldnt mind that myself! :nod:

    @Johnace, you are speaking of a 9v Source, where did he grab that? I only know of a 5v from the USB ports, as well as the usual spot to grab the 12v from. I dont think 9v would be such a difference to 12v, fan-sound wise but still interesting to know I guess.

    And what he did sounds awesome, I reckon you are talking about a 360 CPU heatsink on the GPU? Thats a genious idea, pity I dont have a donor 360 to salvage this from... :(
     
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