PSIO Supposedly Working

No, money was never mentioned initially. Then all of a sudden it was $50 - the only reason I didnt say anything is because it was a trade ($50 of modchips for the psio). Then it went to $80 with no trade.

If the $50 had been cash, I would have said no too.

Facts are:

I was approached by PSIO to help with the rep and issues people have with thinking its fake
I was then asked to pay $50 (but haunted was accepting a trade)
Then I was told its $80 and no trade
Then you come here and offer it to someone for free instead.

?!

 

sorry. (between facts were couple other facts, but it doesnt change the matter of things)

 

I kiss the ass of no one. I spoke up on this thread because there were a whole bunch of folk acting very pessimistically at an idea I thought was good. Don't like it, move on and enjoy your failing optical drive assembly or melting discs (or whatever the mode of failure is on dying discs).

Good to see some people on here still have their marbles.

I understand that there are REAL costs involved with sending out a unit to me and of course would not accept it for free.

Cybdyn seems to want to send them out for free but Shadow can see there is real cost involved.
Not much of a business man the old Cyndyn by the looks, but hopefully quite the engineer!


No one is lining my coffers. I've put forward the cash at my own risk. If nothing eventuates, you'll know about it. Do not worry about that!

(We aren't allowed to slander the good names of others here on the forums are we? Lucky for you APE, lucky for you! :biggrin-new

 

Which is the complete opposite said. Cyndyn said hes sorry, he didnt realise haunted wanted to send them for free, and that he asked haunted to get money from me.

Also to point out, I have no issue with you doing the testing instead. This isnt about me wanting a unit for free. But if someones going to approach me, then ask for money (with changing goal posts) then come here and offer it to someone else for free, I am going to question what the hell is going on.

Mismanagement is an understatement.

 

Honestly I don't give a rat's ass about politics or any of this rubbish.
I'm here for PSIO.

Bad, you need more expendable income for frivolous spending on potential scams.
I'm guessing you're not the sort to hand bank accounts and deposits to Nigerian royalty? :friendly_wink:

 

"Watch the pennies and the pounds take care of themselves"

 

I offered to help with the software and was told I'd have to pay, so again for someone to be offered one for free does seem odd.

 

pissup and brewery spring to mind

 

I've defended the existence and legitimacy of PSIO, but the methods are really shaky. I don't feel it's right to require independent testers and even someone willing to help on software to pay for it. Again, I understand the "hobby" nature of it, but that's usually not how it's done. Beta testers are LOANED a pre-assembled model, which they are required to return. Even in the homebrew/hobby scene, that's how it's always been done, which is sort of where Bad_Ad84 is coming from.

I understand they don't want to put the money out for something they may not get back, but like I said this is how it's always been done. Hobby or not. Why as a tester should I pay for something that may not even fully work? Now I came on after this had happened, but I thought certain donators were giving enough $$ to be part of the beta test? I thought that was the process.

 

for software help - no necessary have psio in hand.

we cant send for free - cause we got from donations not much comparable to cost of current model. so for make another one to test - we need spend money.
as we actually can test it ourself, so "test" has a little sense.

for BadAd and other helpers/testers i can offer wait for next version.

 

Unfortunately this really does seem to be the biggest mismatch project I've seen, and in 20 pages, we're still practically almost where we started.
As for sending out betas/test equipment, that's investment, every project has that. You invest in making a product and testing it, then you invest in marketing for product and invest in the production and transport of the product (ALL up to this point costs money and is a LOSS) and once it's in stores or on internet sites, only then do you start making money when people purchase the actual product.
If you're not up for putting the initial investment up with the potential to either win or lose (looks to be WIN if the project does what it set out to do) then your product isn't worth a damn and you might as well shelve the whole thing.

 

Indeed--I don't think I could trust purchasing this product at all even if it was proven real, etc. What happens if there's a defect and it needs to be recalled or exchanged or something? Doesn't sound like these guys would be good for it at all. Are these really the people you want taking on this challenge?


I mean, goddamn, if they're so broke how hard would it be to send BadAd_84 a free board and ask him to either 1) send it back paying the return postage out of his own pocket or 2) if he decides he wants to keep it after he determines it's real, pay for it then? If they really don't have the money just send one of the boards that already exist. You guys do have more than one, right? I mean, if you can't even afford to do something as simple as that to prove that your product even fucking exists then this is the most terribly managed project ever.

 

....n e x t v e r s i o n...

 

Are people really still doubting this is real? :dejection:

 

Nope, i think its real. Only slow but real progress.

 

no its the lack of faith in Haunted that is overSHADOWing it

 

You know if you're not happy with things you could always do something else... just a thought.

You asked for a video, he gave you a second video.

You asked for a sample, he said it was too expensive but offered to build one if you pay (and someone did pay)

You have progress reported on SWAT's website - the same person who brought us Dreamshell/DC SDLoader

...yet you STILL complain and one of you above says he should "shelve the project" because he isn't following a corporate business plan.

There are other things to do in life instead of pissing on some guy who's just a hobbyist and really owes you all absolutely nothing. Even better, why not try doing the same thing yourselves?

 

Hahaha, good pun! :applause:

Oh that reminds me, Shadow has been in contact and I was supposed to have a Skype call with him but got distracted by hot pizza and then life got in the way. But the test board has been soldered together and he's just waiting on the USB Blaster cable to rock up before shipping it out. Well that and the Skype call!

Edit: Skype call done, should be posted out in 1-2 weeks (or so). Never put things in concrete because they are hard to remove later on.

 

So.......... is the bashing over? Will this move on like other threads do?

It would be a pity if this project didn't come to fruition because of you guys didn't getting along.

And is there any ETA for the project? Could this be completed within this year or is it a huge task to be done in such short time?

 

I think it's got to the point now where everyone has said everything they need to say and now all eyes are on RJ.

I'd still like to know what Haunted has to do with any of this when it seems cybdyn is doing 99% of the work, that's always been the issue for me. From the very beginning it was Haunted who had the idea but no knowledge and he basically recruited people with skills and then basically ordered them around to do his bidding. He did demonstrate that he was learning but I find it very hard to believe that he's accrued the abilities in that time, although if someone can prove me wrong I'll back down.

From what I've seen I now believe cybdyn is doing some amazing work and looking at his other posts in the Sony Dev area he clearly knows his stuff, but I'm still super wary of Haunted who back in the beginning had a donations website which reeked of scam and it was all talk and no action, it's his involvement that I find questionable and unnerving but as I've mentioned I'm open to being enlightened.