Karsten, that depends on him having more games he wants to release, and that he'd be allowed to do it through this channel.
Paulo : What does that have to do with anything? I sent him the money because no one had paid me in awhile and I didn't want it sitting in my account. I don't have anything to do with the 250 from someone else, so I don't understand what the problem is? And if you "refund" people their funds, PayPal does not steal fees in that sense. As far I am concerned, Niels needs to refund back part of the 250 Euros from the person that sent it directly to him, as he paid the most.
i misunderstood... so he got too much. i think the best would be sending them back to a serious member like dot50cal, yakumo or assembler and stored for the next release.
i think that it's not your behaviour the point. i think the point is that he got too much for the release.
Karsten, I understand that, but then why is Paulo questioning me sending all the money I had then? I think the person that paid the most should be refunded, but at this point, it's simon_belmont who needs to refund the money since he has it all.
Im questioning your actions because if simon wasnt willing to release the game for $616 then there was no point in giving him the money (Maybe i should of asked if he was willing to release the game for $616). So if it came down to no release you would refund everyone. So thats why im asking you. Surely if you dint know if simon was interested in releasing it for $616 and you dint want the cash in your account refunding everyone would of been a smarter thing to do.
Paulo: You're not understanding me correctly. I sent him what I HAD. He knew he was OWED more money. I simply did not want all the money sitting in my account at the moment. You're acting like I did something deceiving here. I informed Niels I was waiting for more donations when I sent him the money. AND IN A PM TODAY, HAWANJA told me to send him the rest of the money I had not sent to Niels yet. The only thing I was acting in here was being the person holding the money and sending it to Niels, Hawanja is in charge of this whole thing. Exact PM quote from Hawanja: "So, this means we've hit the goal! Go ahead and send the rest of whatever cash you're holding to Simon, as Fudoh as already provided the remainder." Niels is dumping the thing, and the extra money was sent already, if anyone has an issue with this, then Niels can refund me the money, and I can refund everyone else.
What a mess this turned out to be... I'm unclear what this other guys intention was. He sent Neils 250euros on his own, with no prior knowledge to this fundraiser? What was the inspiration behind that move? Presumably he had been in talks with Neils about sending funds to pay for a dump, but why would Neils accept money from two seperate parties to pay for the dump of the same game? I'm not saying anyone was doing anything wrong here, but the details are too murky to understand what happened. Neils, could you please explain what transpired?
The 250 euro from the other guy (he is gonna dump the game at my place in March) will be put together up to $ 750 and I will refund him the remaining part. He just wanted to secure the deal! He is writing an article about the game for a German magazine. It was NOT his intension to steal the deal or something like that. DreamTR just send me the $ 500,- because he knew it was gonna happen anyway, I mean we were already very close there is nothing to blame him! So after all the dump gonna take place in March and I will send the rom to everyone who donated
Well apparently Fudoh is Tobais, who used to post here a lot back in the day. He wasn't around when the 0th bit forum was launched, so he had no idea we had started our own fundraiser. So he took it upon himself to start a fundraiser, his idea was to secure the game outright then ask for donations, to which he sent his money shortly before Dream sent the first $500 of our money. He didn't know we'd started our own, since he can't see this forum. And so, Simon has ended up with more than the $750 he asked for, but the remainer is being refunded to Fudoh, which I think is only fair, since he contributed 250 Euro (around $340 dollars,) which is more than we individually donated. So this looks to me like a failure to communicate, and probably wouldn't have happend this way if Fudoh had seen the 0th bit forum. I think everything turned out well. Anyway, I understand the reaction from some of you guys, but it looks to me like it was just a misunderstanding. Let's not overeact, I'm more stoked that we've got all the cash down for the game. And it took less than a week to do it. Actually I want to thank Fudoh for providing the remaining $160 or so for the goal, as well and Dream TR for acting as middleman for us. Couldn't have done it without you both. Com'on guys, pats-on-the-back all round for a job well done!
So i dont need to come to you anymore since the other guy do the dump? Ok but that is bad for me since i did not donate. The Drive to holland, dumping and back was my way of Donation since the fuel alone costs here 60 or more Euro. it looks like there is no game for me
"So after all the dump gonna take place in March and I will send the rom to everyone who donated " because of this
in such a case someone might send it your way... >_> <_< erhm. i mean save those 60 Euros for next release. also i pretty sure that with the recent info leakings it'll be on the wild minutes after the release
I thought it was the case that donators get it first, then a general release happens after a period of time? Or put another way I wouldn't have wanted to donate if that wasn't the case...not that I actually did end up donating sadly, sorry to all, only came back into funds yesterday..once it was all wrapped, typical...but you see my point.
I have to say, this has left something of a bad taste in my mouth. Two fund raising activities and paying money across before the full amount has been received (though I understand the reasoning DreamTR, in terms of holding onto so much money) is not right IMO. $30 might not seem much, but it isn't chimp change either. Still you do live and learn I suppose and I think more organisation needs to go into this kind of action in the future. A money holder should be exactly that. Not to mention that the dump date is a vague time in March now. Exact times, dates and targets need to be agreed in advanced in the future. BTW, I do not mean to imply foul play. Just that there was the opportunity for that here, and we need to plan these things properly.
The issue was communication and individuals donating different amounts..not that generosity is a bad thing but it lead to confusion after the fact. Though there's a seperate thread about this now so that's neither here nor there. I hope my donation went through as PayPal's claiming it has.
