yeah, you're right. another point i've said earlier, if the controller you see on the picture isn't for the super nes nor for that thing (like they clearly say on the website) why do they still link this thing to sony anyway? apart for the controller , wich isn't a valable link because it incompatible with the two systems anyway, there was no reasons to link it. plus , there's all those things like : - the machine was suposed to go underneath -the machine was suposed to use some umd-like cd, not simple cds , and the machine can take normal cd (i guess , by looking at the tray) - there's no mention of ninty or sony on the case, apart form the snes slot -it could easly be made. remember , the guy don't whant to show pictures of the inside. if there's no picture of the inside, i personaly won't belive there's one. -it could simply be a custom copy system or anything else , its not because it goes on the snes and there's a cd tray that it is nececary the nintendo cd add-on.
It was to use caddies, and the slot is exactly the right size for it. In the early days data CDs came in caddies to protect the sensitive data area of the disk, but that got dropped pretty quickly. You could open the caddies to get at the disc, but for drive reading purposes a metal sheath would slide back (a bit like a floppy drive) Has the guy actually refused to open it?
Actually, he's not totally right. Let's look at the evidence. That drive is NOT a caddy drive as everyone says. Hell, it even states that on the page! It is a slot loader, very unusual for its time. It is the drive which is that part on the bottom with that label, i.e. that label relates to that drive. FACT. So, this faker would have to get hold of a pretty rare 10 year old drive that was only made available to companies who were prototyping. Then they would need something like a wild card to sacrifice, and the right kind of metal and tools for precise bending etc (that's a damn good job if its a fake). It isn't worth it, and would be very hard to do. The pad is there because, as I believe it states, this item was saved from the trash. The prototype pad was saved from the same trash, and is interesting, hence it was included in the picture. Now, let's add this up... a sony PROTOTYPE playstation pad, and a sony PROTOTYPE snes cd, found in the trash together. No, that's not possible, is it? </sarcasm> It is quite possible this came from SONY'S trash, or one of their developers who happened to have a test unit. It is a fact that old dev/proto stuff is seen as junk to such people, and they chuck it (some of my Saturn dev equipment was given away to an employee after an internal e-mail asking "who wants this old retro junk? take it!" So, we have a Sony prototype pad (PROVED to be a real prototype), and a (probably) Sony SNES CD. What's so wrong about that? Now..... The guy whose website this is does NOT own the machine, nor does he know who does. He has a middleman. Both the middleman and the owner are quite secretive it would seem. The owner does not want to be identified. There also appears to be a translation problem between them. He would not give pictures of the software, which would identify the source, so I very much doubt he'll give out screenshots (for the same reason), or internal pictures. Out of curiosity, why do you need an internal picture? How are you going to prove it is real from that? Do ANY of you actually know what a SNES CD looked like inside? Which components it used? NO? Well WHY DO YOU NEED IT THEN?!?!?! Oh, and I have talked to the guy who was good enough to share this information with everyone. He says that there IS software that runs on it and yes it is with the machine, but as I said it cannot be shown because it is identifiable. He is sure of its authenticity, as am I. There would be too much time, effort and cost involved in faking that - not to mention finding a proto pad to put with it to try and prove it is from Sony! Why must you all be so pessimistic always? Sure, we have to look logically at things, but when it is shown that the thing is pretty damned real, you still question it - and even question the proof! Whether it is a Sony unit, I'm still not 100% certain, but face it... a prototype SNES CD unit HAS been found.
It would seem very very very fucking unlikely that a proto dev kit or system would ever be thown out. Especially before the system is released. Do you think all those lovely proto DCs were tossed in the bin? And, if I was going to spend time, money and effort faking a video game system the SNES CD would be it. Think of how much this man could sell it for. Think how much interest he has gotten from 3 little pics... I'm not saying that this isn't the real deal, I just disagree with you almost completely.
The chances of it being tossed are slim to none. We all know how horribly anal Nintendo is about that type of stuff. If it is real, then he probably got it from an inside source at Nintendo or Sony. I don't see how these could've been distributed to other companies, as it's a really early proto. Perhaps the only way to know is to ask Nintendo. And I'm sure they'd be amazingly receptive and pleased that someone has this. :smt043
Did he said the ''thing'' was found with a sony playstation prototype controller? nope, never. do the ''thing'' have any controller slots? nope, if you think of that thing over a snes , you can imagine it with the snes slots just under. Read what he say again, ill quote it : so , what does it do here? he never claimed it was found with the system too. well, he can do pictures and then cencure them, or he could just make the system work , just to tell us it work. well, because maybe there's just no inside and if there was one, then we could maybe know the truth. maybe we could see some sony chip, maybe we could see some nintendo ships , maybe we could see anti-lockout chips, and so on. we never know. but the strangest thing is , when you get a proto , you open it and take pictures of it. when you find a nes proto, you cut it to see what's inside , and if its truly a prototype . wat if the controller was found before? he make a snes proto fake and then make pictures with the sony controller. why would he do it? why do people do fake? to be know or to have cash. why are you so sure it's indeed a snes cd proto made by sony anyway? there's just not enough informations to be sure of it. and i don't say its a fake either , it just could be something else than a something made by sony by ninty. there's no proof it was made by sony, and less by philips. and btw, wich proof? there's nothing that clearly say it's form sony, first. the conection between the two. -------------- i don't say i don't belive in it, but there's so many unanswered questions and so many strange thing that i just can't be sure. i don't say its a fake too, it could be something else . but WHY do this thing is linked to sony anyway? could someone answer me about this? i whant to add other strange points. -about the controller: notice the color of it and the design, exactly the same as the psx. but the thing is, the system would have been made to fit the colors of the original system i assume. the controller was suposed to be the same as the super famicom too, not a new one. here's a pretty good picture i've found on the web: you can see the conector of the gamepad, it fit onto an old pc conector. if you look further , you'll notice it fit on an american super nes very well. buty the thing look really uneavy if the super nintendo can suport it without any problem ( the back, where the cd tray is (wich is eavy) , would make the front of the super nintendo goes up if it was that eavy) , it look impossible. then, there's the pulstec logo. one of our comrade searched and found that it was a cd drive compagny. but, corect me if im wrong, sony can make their own cd drive themselves, and it would cost less than if they make a contract with pulstec.
That's it, I've decided it's fake. The 'Not For Sale' sticker and 'ooh look at how carelessly we treated this' splash of paint is just too much for me. 'Not For Sale'... Jesus. I'll need to see it working before I believe it. Tony
yeah, i've whanted to talk about the paint too , but it tought it was enough. :smt043 edit: after watching it again, it doesn't look like a splash of red paint , but more like if the system was red first , then repainted in white and the white paint had been scratched or something.
Ok, question for any of you technical guys... Going by the spec sheet on the page scan from EGM that Retro posted, what could the SNES CD do? Compared to say, Mega/SegaCD? Other than potentialy huge games, and FMV, what would the CD unit add to the SuperFami's capabilities? I assume it would have had 'built-in' SuperFX type capabilities, enabling 3D games? Imagine if a RAM cart had come out for the system, would be impressive to see what a SFami with extra RAM and a CD drive could do. After all, a PCE with CDrom and ArcadeCard is an impressive little beastie...
Pulstec manufacture R&D proto drive units, to put it another way. Exactly what this would come under. I have no reason not to go with retro's judgement. If it's true there'll be more photos anyway.
Hey all. Nice to see the extra pic! I'll throw in a bit more skepticism, though I'm still unsure as to what it is (flame-proof jacket on, heh!) As I mentioned before in an earlier post, it looks like the cart has a direct connection/bypass from a cartridge to the console - but note the slot shape, it's got the Super Famicom cartridge slot shape facing ***the wrong way*** so the cart would be the *wrong way around*. More things that bother me are the separate pads if it's a SNES-CD; and/or the fact it plugs into a S-NES if it's a PS-X prototype (which Nintendo would have objected against - depending on when this is dated). I'd still like to feel that a prototype would be tested the way it would've been marketed, and that's on the botton of the snes, with the RAM cart in the top of the snes (much the same way as the BS-X). As to a point Kyuusaku raised: The only device I know that does use the audio on the expansion pins is the Super Gameboy cartridge; which feeds onboard GB sound to the S-NES, and mixes it in with some optional snes SFX and music. Anyways, I have no monopoly on truth: I'm still unsure without seeing the insides, which would give everyone a clearer indiction as to its function! -- FH
can anyone respond to my question? what link this thing with sony if the controller ''isn't for the system, not even for the super nintendo'' ? apart that sony was suposed to do a cd add-on for the snes (but phillips was suposed too) , which isn't a really good reason to instantly link it to the snes.
Sony was going to do an add on and a stand alone unit similar to the Sega CD and Wondermega situation. As for the controller, we really don't know what that machine is. It could be a prototype, or it could be a dev. unit. Persionally, I think it is a fake.
Some of you guys are born pessimists. There is no reason to fake it. The guy is NOT selling the unit, nor does he want his identity revealed. Faking a PSX prototype controller from a few sketchy photos would be quite a task, and expensive.... do you guys know how much it costs to have the moulds set up for a one-shot? We're talking proper injection moulding here! And why would you want to paint it that colour if you were faking it? That was bare metal, why would you paint it red, then that beigey colour? Makes no sense. Sure, you might undercoat, but that would be grey or white. To answer Cahaz's questions.... Nintendo were never going to make a CD addon on their own. Read the articles online, including the pic I posted. They were teaming up with someone - first Phillips, then Sony, then Phillips again. This is NOT a playstation prototype. Sony were helping develop an add-on console, then they went their separate ways, so Sony decided to make their own console. Whether or not they borrowed any ideas or hardware from that they were developing with Nintendo, we will never know. The specs I posted were for the last device, which probably isn't the Sony deal. Oh, and Cahaz, I can't remember on the original page, but he told me personally that the controller was found in the dump at the same time. You are all so very wrong about protos and dev hardware being thrown out - it happens all the time. It takes up space, often doesn't work, can't be used for anything useful now, in short is junk (in the eyes of the person who has it). It happens in other fields too. Who would have thought that the Thunderbirds puppets, which took so long and so much money to make, would just be discarded? Well the Scott puppet that was auctioned in the mid 90s was recovered from the studio skip by a passer by, who had it in his loft all these years. Don't forget, I'm not saying that Sony (or whoever) abandoned the project and immediately threw the thing out. I'm saying that sometime perhaps recently, they were going through their store and chucking old stuff out. IT HAPPENS. Haven't you ever gone through your garage and chucked out crap? One man's junk is another man's treasure - its just junk taking up space to them. It is definately NOT a development machine - where is the SCSI port? How are you supposed to develop with it if you can't connect it to a PC? ;-) No, this is a prototype. This is the reason why it is on top too... actually you guys all says "it was meant to be underneath" but you base that on production sketches of the ND machine which was LATER than this design! So in theory, this design COULD have been to go on top. Unlikely, but possible. As for what the specs of the latest machine said, I think the XA compatability would be either the most interesting feature, or the biggest hindrance. They were claiming that the games would run on CD-i. That means that it would be much like the DVD games are that you can get, you know those super titles like .... ummm.....errr.........nah j/k... didn't they do a dragon's lair port? You can play them on your DVD set top player, basically. So, if the games are CD-i compatible, that would mean that the amount of buttons would be limited, and other things would be limited... personally I don't see this happening. Perhaps, though, the machine would be able to play XA titles, so they would release titles with a Nintendo and CD-i logo on... and maybe it would have been able to play CD-i titles? I still say the internal shots are a waste of time. You don't know what you're looking for. Lockout chip? Err, that's in the SNES. Don't forget this is NEW hardware, you won't know what is what most likely! There ARE no specs for the Sony one, just the ND. What you guys seem to forget is that this belongs to someone. He was good enough to let you know it existed and see pictures, but it isn't good enough for you. He doesn't want his identity revealed, or where it came from... obviously the software he has is very distinctive and would do this, or he would share it. Why is there always this communist attitude amongst games collectors? "He has an unreleased game, he MUST rip the ROM and share it with everyone!" - and if he doesn't, he gets slated. GROW UP GUYS.
Retro, why are you say adament on believing this thing is real? We have no reason to believe it is real, as the pics prove nothing. If the guy didn't tell you it was a SNES CD proto, would you even think it was one? For all you know the guy could've slapped some stickers on an old drive he got off eBay and declared a SNES CD. The controller wouldn't be that hard to fake either. For all you know it could be made out of styrafoam or something. :smt043 I'm not a person who cares about him "r3l3@$!ng t3h $0ftw@r3," but he can't prove this thing works without showing some more stuff. Honestly, how many times do you hear people say "No I don't wanna do that 'cause it will release my source....or I don't want to release it because I don't have thing x, etc." Happens all the time. Now sometimes people are lying and sometimes they are telling the truth about the situation. But until I, and evidently some other skeptics, get some undeniable evidence that this thing is real, I will be skeptical.
people, the controller is probably not a fake. This is the picture on my HD that I talked about: The date on the file is 26-9-2003... I don't know where I got it from, though.
Looks like it goes into a serial port. Would that be for development purposes (I'm no expert on development hardware)? Also, a more opinionated note: Why couldn't Sony have kept that d-pad on the final controller? :smt045
Going O/T here...but am I the only one who likes the way Sony set up their D-Pad? Makes it damn easier, I say. The Xbox one is a total bitch. What a piece of crap. Press down on the damn thing and it thinks you're inputting left. :smt042
