Stupid lost - Spoiler alert in later posts!

Yeah, bummer. He was on the promo poster for Season 6. I really wanted to see him. I can't blame the guy for leaving the show though. I risked my job to leave Hawaii.

 

How it should have ended...

 

No one is mentioning how that gif is from a skit from Jimmy Kimmel It was hilarious!

 

Because no one watches Jimmy Kimmel.

 

Think the main issue with the ending to Lost was that it didn't really have a proper bridge between the main timeline and X/purgatory/afterlife. Sure, at least SOME people died in the duration of the show...

Stuff like the candidate numbers, lottery numbers, hatch numbers, etc... is stuff I don't really find much of a problem with not getting a deeper and "meaningful" explenation. Almost all of the flashbacks in Lost have had the characters somehow cross paths by what's pretty much pure coincidence. The fact that all of those numbers overlap too is nothing but another of the many coincidences found within the storyline. (Bla bla bla destiny bla bla bla fate bla bla bla piss)

Anyway, I think they were a bit too vague on some things, maybe went a bit too heavy on the "mythological" stuff, and, yeah, the pronunciation of the latin was absolutely atrocious in Across the Sea (the scene in Season 5 with Juliet and the Others speaking latin was pulled off much better and felt much more "natural") They probably were deliberately being vague to allow for both miracle and pseudo sience explanations for most stuff, which is why I find the lack of a bridge even more stupid (as the way they did it pretty much only leaves the miraculous and religious as a proper explanation for things. Unless you delve into weirdo post-Island fanfic "Time to create X"-territory.)


But what I said about the lack of a "bridge";
The last episodes of Season 6 really went ahead and kinda built up to a finale that I really felt wasn't there. Sure, they had some major deaths, some neat drama and a showdown with one of the show's antagonists... but that's all we got, instead of something that bridges X to properly the rest. All we got on that front was a Christian saying that pretty much everyone has to die... sometime (which means we've been seeing half-a-season worth of afterlife epilogue for something that we still don't really have closure to or an ending for). It really wasn't much of a closure to anything, although it does give potential to tragic interpretation of how the lives of those who actually survived the island (and show up in X) went after they left. (Everyone turning into Jack, growing beards and trying to jump off of bridges.)


I know they wanted to go all complete circle with Jack's death scene at the end and stuff, but I really think it would've worked better if Season 6 ended with a bright light on the "regular" timeline, rather than having it in X. A light that somehow was built up to as the potential creation of X. I just never felt that Lost was "just" Jack's story. So his death could have just as well not been part of the finale. But if they absolutely wanted it to be that way, I guess it's worth remembering that they could've easily paid a more direct nod to how Locke was told he had to die in order to "bring them back."

I doubt everyone are familiar with what I'm about reference, but I absolutely think it would've worked great if they somehow took a twist on things and went with something ala. Ed's sacrifice to bring back Al at the of the 2003-2004 FullMetal Alchemist TV series. It'd work nicely as a setup for the memory loss/recovery element, the comments from Eloise Hawking, and a few other bits 'n' pieces. Not to mention that it could've easily mirrored what's probably the people's favorite on the finale front, the season 2 finale with Desmond blowing up the hatch.

I also found it a bit wonky that they totally used the church/Lamp post as a red herring.

Anyway, looking forward to the home release of it to see what will be different and what commentary tracks and other bonus material will provide.

I'm mostly a fan of the faux African and Middle-eastern countries that appears in 24... while Russia gets to be big, mean and evil without any hidden cover name.

 

The only thing is that he didn't have to. It was a complete screw job by MiB. When you look back at the whole story, that really is kind of a downer for me. The Jack vs. Locke thing never went anywhere. In fact, their last on-island on-screen confrontation would've been at the end of Season 4, then their last meeting ever for like 10 minutes in Season 5. The real John Locke basically is out of the picture for most of the buildup. He is the definition of tragic character. He was the main one on the mission from the get go, and he gets suckered into dying.

Season 3 finale > every other moment on television ever, including that rare scene in Three's Company where John Ritter's cock is hanging out of his pants.

In all seriousness though, yours is about the first post I've read that of someone that didn't love the ending and I can actualy "buy". Most of it is people whining and, what I interpret as wanting everything spoon fed to them. I've upgraded from like it to loved it after a second time, but yes, even I want to know the escapees stories.

 

Ah. Yeah. Locke probably didn't "have to" die, but mostly just thinking narratively speaking. Since, well, TV shows has this bad habit of doing things exactly the way it's being said/presented (You know, the whole "for dummies" deal on TV where everything the audience sees/hears must be true. Although, Lost has had a good pile of nice lies and red herrings through out the show. But it seems like people have missed or selectively ignored the truth/facts for some of them and still ask questions.)

Also, I still can't help but wonder if the smoke monster really is supposed to be a separate entity (a sort of twisted form for envy, in an absurd self-loathing form, maybe?). Anyway, if you consider the fact that the dead bodies of both MiB and Locke turned out to be very much real, and Christan's body probably is "somewhere" within the vicinity of the island too, then it's not unreasonable to presume that the smoke monster was a "something" that may have had a habit of impersonating what I guess can best be described as "dead suckers" who'd somehow lost control of their own lives. MiB not being able to leave the island (no matter how much he wanted to), Christian failing as a family man, and Locke just straight out failing at almost every aspect of life. Of course, MiB and the smoke monster had similar desires, but it might just ultimately be a side-effect of playing the role of MiB for too long. In the final episodes he was definitively trying to be John Locke (like when they're roping down Desmond) and as Christian he was at times trying to be a father of sorts (such as taking in Claire + telling Vincent to wake Jack in the mobisodes.)

Then there's also the alternative angle, that whoever is the smoke monster is the actual protector of the island. Just somehow gone corrupt over time.

Also, the season 3 finale was indeed sweet. The entire Looking Glass stuff was actually surprisingly neat. Love the little details there too. Such as how you can actually see Mikhail getting up in the background of one of the shots and even more clearly that he's gone when they return the camera there. It's also a bit sad that people get upset with Charlie's death 'cause they don't quite understand the actual importance of Charlie actually closing the door to the comms room (You know, bodies of water, air pockets, flooding, etc.)

Shame they kinda never revisited that station either (beyond just a brief mention when Jin wants to know if Radzinsky picked up any signs of the Ajira flight - If memory serves me right). But I still think the only big annoyance with Season 2's ending is that they for some reason repeat Penny's Letter twice within an oddly short timeframe. They first read it to you and then Desmond vanishes down to the failsafe and you get the final part of the letter read out again. (It'd probably been better if Desmond just skimmed over the letter and the narrative for it just played through out the entire scene or something. Or at least something that prevented it from having to repeat the end of it within a timeframe so short that even a goldfish should be able to still have it fresh in mind.)

 

I think the creators just ended up juggling too many things at once. From the end of season 4 on it went from a sci-fi show with mildly mystical elements to a mystical show with little sci-fi. Doing that opened up a whole new bag of questions they would have to answer without giving them enough time to properly answer the ones they had already posed.

Looking back there are so many things or characters that they were foreshadowing as important and then just dropped. Things like Walt's powers, the whole pregnancy issue, Ben's friend Annie, Libby's entire backstory, kidnapping people, ect. Those are just from the top of my head.

I think in hindsight had they stuck with the core elements they started out with and not changed the shows tone as heavily as they did we would have gotten better answers and a more fulfilling ending.

 

Yeah. I kinda wish they'd not taken such a giant leap away from the sci-fi-ish side of things. But I guess they didn't want to alienate the non-sci-fi fans and... uhm... mostly alienate the sci-fi fans... or something.

Kidnapping was partly related to the pregnancy issue and partly to whom they felt were worthy and/or "good" enough to be taken with the others, right? Everyone left at crash sites were the troubled ones (and ultimately those who turned out to be potential candidates at one point or another.)

Libby's backstory was partly touched in X (if we're to assume her general background there was the same as in the regular timeline.) Which means she gave Elizabeth (the boat) to Desmond after her husband died. And her time in the psychiatric ward was her decision (I guess presumably as an after effect of her husband's death. Possibly between that and when she gave the boat to Desmond). What a strange woman she must've been, though. Seeing as she had a life with a husband, then she knew Hugo for like less than two weeks on the island... which apparently warrants a full "true love" reunion for them in Life v2.0.

The pregnancy issue is strongly suggested to've become an after effect of either The Incident or whatever was the final drop that lead to the purge. People had no issues giving birth on the island 30 years in the past. (Ethan and Charlotte, possibly also Miles, were Dharma children.) I've seen people suggest the purge was a result of Dharma "moving" the island (using a trained polar bear to move the donkey wheel, explaining the Dharma bear Charlotte's excavating in the desert.)

Ben's friend Annie certainly went MIA. Was almost sure they'd have Miles dig up some dirt on her if she was a victim during the purge or something (at least we know Ben wasn't the only Dharma person to be taken by the others, since Ethan was also a Dharma child). Didn't they even talk about her on one of the commentary tracks or podcasts or something? (About how she was supposed to be important?). Loose end indeed :/

Walt's "powers" were also largerly unexplained. Though, the others might've been bullshitting out their ears. We saw a lot of strange shit on the island. Everything from ghosts and hallucinations to smoke monsters impersonating stuff. So the on-island Walts might've been something else. And everything that happened around Walt, involving animals, might've just been coincidental and happened for "other" reasons. (Like, Dharma kept Polar bears on the island, so Walt + comic = at least partly just coincidental)


Must say I love some of smaller details/oddities that kinda went under the radar for most. Like how they at the end of Season 2 gather a certain set of losties that were all later confirmed to've had some sort of influence on Ben's childhood (though, Sayid and Jin, who were both present when Ben got shot, were missing from that "list"), and in Season 3 you have Sawyer and Kate help out with the construction of the air strip that Ajira lands on 3 years later. I guess someone knew very well that there was a plane coming. Or what about how they in Season 4 blow up a Dharma Time Machine in order to access a means for moving the island, to then accidentally make the losties start skipping through time.

 

It's definitely a show worth watching again. I think before seasons 4, 5, and 6 I would watch the previous seasons to get me through the summer. Not sure if I will watch it all again any time soon, but will probably watch 5 & 6 on BR. Got 5, but have yet to watch it. Looking forward to the Season 6 commentary.

Man, it's gotta be a bummer if you're a local and worked on that show. Probably a tearful good-bye. It's also not good for Hawaii's lagging economy. Maybe the new Hawaii Five-O will be a hit.

 

Stealing this from another forum but I think it's a really good explanation. Supposedly this was written by someone who worked on the show.

 

I'm going to throw one thing out there. When the show first started, the first theory that arose was "They're all dead! They're in purgatory". I mean EVERYONE thought that and eventually the producers said they were definitely alive. I'm wondering if that wasn't the case and they changed it up a bit to throw everyone off.

 

What do you want to have explained more?

 

that wouldn't surprise me in the least. we may never know...

one thing i do know, i'm glad Kate made it off the island cuz she's HOTT! :love2:

 

Nothing really deep actually, just some stuff about the island as everyone else I'm glad with the way things are, no need to uncover the deepest misteries of the island, but I do now some people who would go nuts over that stuff lol

I also wanted to know why Walt was so special, but it just seems, at least to me, that they dropped that off when he grew up and got that big phat ugly nose :-(, it just wouldn't appeal to the public anymore.

And as for 24, I expected something more explosive :flamethrower:, I didn't want Jack to die but if that would've made a better ending, so be it.

 

I'm not gonna make sense here, but don't birds have something programmed in their brains to follow some sorta electric maganetism-thingamajig that's surrounding our Earth? Whatever is special with Walt, it must involve some sort of magnetic energy, which ends up disorienting birds and guides them towards him or something. That's how I always saw it, and it seemed like it was an obvious clue considering it's always birds that we see whenever his "gift" is demonstrated in small doses.

 

The big mystery for Walt with me was why the fuck couldn't the writers have the foresight to come up with this elaborate web and not realize that after Season 2 the actor was just going to be too big. What kid would be 6 years older and not look like it?

 

Think the problem with Walt was that they never really expected his actor to almost literally grow twice his own height over the period of a few years. I kinda felt that the 3 year time leap the show does kinda allowed for him to make a full return, but I guess the fact that he still looked like he'd almost aged 10 years (and not just a few) made it a no-go.

(Then again, the make up department on Lost is pretty amazingly good. They did a fantastic job with the young-adult Ben, also played by Michael Emmerson, doing some child-napping somewhere around mid-season 5. But I guess you gotta keep technical difficulties and costs down to a minimum too, and not just bring huge amounts of unnecessary difficulties upon yourself.)

Sure, they could've added another horrible layer to the mystery of the island and just blame it on the island. (That'll probably ultimately become the joke answer to everything... unless it isn't already. "The island did it!", "It's what the island wanted!" or just "island{period}")

 

There's a few things I picked up on after rewatching some of the early ones.

-In Season 1, Charlie says he can't go after the drowning girl on 2nd or 3rd day b/c "he can't swim" which we all know was bullshit. I guess he was too high.
-Jack "died alone".
-Kate has a 1-handed ass (as per a friend of mine who stood next to her & the rest of the cast at the Police concert a couple of years ago).

 

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