The Political thread ... rant away.

First of all - i don't see any massive damage to hull parts that are consistent with 70kg blast fragmentation warhead. AAMs have different type of low yield warheads who so there won't be no extensive damage to the outer parts of fuselage. It will look similarily in the case of internal explosion (bomb or something ) which was enough to damage control systems or kill the crew, but there are no pictures of internal parts of the plane. Also - even Pentagon says that they don't have any proof that rebels have even a single operational long-range SAM when ukrainian army have dosens of them.

 

More to say - not just C-300, but also a Buk missile launch clearly visible and trackable from satellite. US have a lot of them above Ukraine. So if there were at least a single launch of Buk, USA will be trigger happy to throw this proof to mass-media. More than 24 hours have been passed since Boeing were taken down and US intelligence still quiet. That's a perfect chance to fuck up Russia and Donbass militia at once, why not to use it? May be reason is simple and clean - there is no such evidence ^_^ Or may be reason slightly different - US satellites detected how Ukraine jetfighters take down a civilian aircraft and don't want to fuck up their slaves in Ukraine? ^____^

 

Looters, check out face of terrorist, does he look under influence?:


Check out how "peaceful" pro-russian terrorists didn't allowed international OSCE commision to investigate crash site.

 

And? Still usual glued pieces and never the whole movie, as usual - cut and paste some phrases out of context. And first photo means nothing - why anyone must believe your comments?

Also how about this one ? He's more friendly? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LGltoJxxQU
He was one of yours, helped current government get the "throne", and then killed because he became a nuisance, gave bad image to Ukrainazi party aka Right Sector and knew too much. History knows a lot of examples where radicals were used to gain power and then were disposed of, like Ernst Röhm.

Maybe Muzychko was killed also because he promised to hang Avakov?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIDPueayccs

And he even knew that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-rlNNx82UE

Someone was really afraid that he will start to talk.

And now it's Kolomoisky vs Poroshenko. I wonder how soon one of them will die. Spiders in a jar.

And who are those monkeys? If this is an example of new Ukraine's "democracy" i'll rather immigrate in DPRK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWYprf5IZ3g

Compared to to all these people that soldier look well, just like normal irregular soldier. What do you expect from ordinary militiaman? That he will speak like Ph.D. in literature?
Also i don't hear any threats in this video, again - edited video.

 

And to nail the coffin with your fakes:

 

So far best timeline of plane events (in English):
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

the mirror...again.
(says IM, 'fracking in the NW england because they won't protest, and waitrose has a 'better class of shopper.' i DESPISE that pasty-faced conservative yuppie TWAT with ALL my being!)
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typo.

 

http://echo.msk.ru/programs/code/1362312-echo/
Surprisingly sane article on plane events from russian internet by russian citizen.

 

Suprisingly sane... from "oscilloscope pointer" lol - she's as dumb as Psaki, or even more.

Also Parashenko and Obama with Cameron - "we have a proof that rebels..." Then show it, you lying fucktards! They can't because there's none. Specialists thinking hard on what to forge. Detergent powder won't work this time, like with Iraq.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnTvTgD0L68
Ukraininans fucked up again^_^
This video, which they proudly demonstrate as proof, that russian try to get "Buk" back to Russia, were filmed in Krasnoarmeysk city. Which is under total control of ukraininan army since 11th May^_^
http://censor.net.ua/video_news/274...ye_kompleksy_buk_zanimayut_pozitsii_fotovideo

See those digits on "Buk"? I've mean 312. It's a unique serial number on all launchers. But problem is, same number on "russian" "Buk"
Want to see "Buk" claimed as "captured" by Donbass militia?

Oops... It's 122 0_0 Some bullshit happens.
And what is more tasty:
http://thekievtimes.ua/society/389248-boeviki-vne-podozreniya.html
http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/07/18/7032278/
http://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2014/06/...anoi-oboroni-zbrojnih-sil-ukraini-v-doneczku/
Fuck all those ukrainians, who blame militia on taking down Boeing using "stolen" "Buk" - even ukrainian Department of Defence confirms, that information about militia owning "Buk" is a lie. Fuck the whole world, who blame Russia on supplying "Buk" to militia or even using it on Ukraine - it was probably ukrainian Buk, used by ukrainian army (if it were a "Buk"!). That's why there is no proof about neither militia, neither Russia itself using or supplying "Buk".
Putin probably should sue all those countries for slander, who now blame us on such terrible act of terrorism. I think something around 50 billions of USD as compensation from each country would be sufficient enough^_^

 

It was not only russian Buk, it was Buk operated by russian military experts.

Where russia there are tears and death

Moldova 1992, Chechnya 1994-1996 & 1999-2009, Dagestan 1999, Georgia 2008, Ukraine 2014

You guys deserve what will happen with your country.

 

Chechnya 1994-1996 & 1999-2009, Dagestan 1999
Go fuck yourself with a cactus ^_^
You were there? I mean Chechnya and Daghestan? Nope, you didn't. And never will be, because your a fucking coward. But i were there, since i was born and grown in Daghestan. And unlike you i've seen what happend here personally. In Chechnya war was started by muslim extremists, who started to kill civilians and uprising terror acts everywhere. They kidnapped peoples, sold them to slavery, butchering them. Then they tried to do the same thing with Daghestan. If it weren't Russia, those two republic will be ruined and wiped from Earth surface before XX century ends. In Georgia - dumb peoples will never change. As i've said before - Georgia started Osetian genoocyde in 1991. Russia stopped it, saving a lot of peoples. Second stage of genocyde Georgia started in 2008. And get what it deserve - Russia again fucked them up. Ukraine drown to flame of Civil War by herself, thanks to all those bandits and criminals at Maidan in Kiev. And end of this Civil War is very close now, with a decryption of flight recorders whole world will see, how far and deep Ukraine rotten.
By the way, recently drunken ukraininans in Turkey started to shout "hung up all russians". So democratic, huh^_^ And these monkeys wanted to join European Union?

 

Omgwtflol. superg got weed again. And again he plays prophet with that Russia downfall thing.

Thing is - Your former country (as you're sitting in Miami) got it already because maidummies stupidity who sold everything for Ms. "Fuck EU" Nuland cookies and promises to become a part of EU, not from EU officials, but your "revolution" leaders.

Chechnya? Go there and ask people what they think about Russia? You'll be surprised. Same for Dagestan. Both are the part of Russia if you forgot.

Georgia? Are you just got out of a cryocapsule? Despite all that propaganda war everyone knows now that it's the Georgia who started that war and even if Georgia can't be called pro-russian now, that dickhead Saakashvili who started that war is wanted for crimes there.

Not to mention that only stupid jerk can post a picture of a girl murdered by ukrainian army bombings and blame Russia.

Deserve what? Schmanctions? Whatever... Not to mention one simply fact - sanctions do and will backfire. And i can't count times how many times they promised for Russia to fall. Tough times happen, like WWI, then Nicolas II ruined the Russian Empire, then WW2, then another dickheads - Gorbyman and drunk Yeltsin ruined Soviet Union, but well Russia is still here. Anyone promising Russia's fall for 9999999th time can just fuck off.

Or you mean WW3? If it will start - it will find you in Miami, when you'll be hiding in a toilet. Because jerks like you don't have balls to enlist and fight. But you know, even if some "leaders" and their puppeteers are stupid enough to pull this off, not everyone interested in starting a huge nuclear mess which will clearly leave all involved parties in ruins, if not the Earth just completely uninhabitable.

For Ukraine itself - it's people like you sold and stolen everything they had. It takes months for 20 times bigger Ukrainian army to suppress poorly armed militia.
Ukraine had second most powerful army in the Europe, and now it doesn't have even a hundred operational fighters and bombers. They lost a few planes before any combat even started.

Damn they use fucking mobile phone payments from population, to get uniforms and even food. Suppliers sell fake bulletproof vests. Army that lack field kitchens and rations, have holey tents and first aid kits made in 80s, had to rely on outdated MREs sent from US. And before army was mixed with naziguards and started to shell villages and towns, soldiers were often fed by local population or for fuck's sake rebels themselves. Now Poroshenko whine and ask for NATO support.
If not for ~1000 killed civilians and few hundred thousands of refugees it can make a good comedy.

Yeah, yeah, it's Russia is to blame haha, that people like you ruled Ukraine for more than 20 years and screwed up everything.

Also, i'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories but that 777 crash is just too convinient for Kiev junta and war party in US who wan't to destabilize Russia and Europe and especially cut any economical ties between two. EU was against economical sanctions, because any will severely hurt EU economy, but Boeing happened (exactly after BRICS summit) and Cameron puts the blame on Russia and screams about sanctions before investigations even started? Another false flag operation? Maybe. But something clearly went wrong as they don't rush to show their "proof".
Same chance that there's no conspiracy involved and it's just another "well trained" ukrainian army fuckup, like it already happened in 2001, and some jerks in ukrainian, UK and US governments are just using it as another chance to bite the Russia. Usual cold war shit, nothing new, in both cases.

As if that 777 crashed in Russia and was shot down by Russian air defence. Anyone who have even a small bit of logic can undersand that neither rebels or Russia can have interest in shooting civilian plane down. It's like stabbing yourself.

Be it ukrainian army or rebels it's still primarily Ukraine's fault, because plane entered a combat zone by orders of Ukrainian ATC. If it was a mistake from either side - it's a tragedy, but it's a war after all. And of course anyone who shot that plane down must be punished including people who ordered that plane to fly there, even every action was just a mistake.

If it was a planned false flag operation by Kiev, CIA or both - i hope that people who organized it won't die too quickly.

 

Problem is - puppet politicians paid by banksters don't care. Where are these Saddam's WMDs? There's a parties involved who need only one thing - for that war to continue as long as possible because last thing they want is stable Europe and good relations between EU countries and Russia? Why? Simple. What will happen to those banksters if dollar will be replaced by euro or whatever?
Remember war in Serbia? Just before it there were talks about replacing dollar in trades between EU and Russia and some other countries.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Terrorists looting continues:


Mister "Prime Minister" of DNR (aka Donetsk People's Republic) is a russian citizen, living in moscow. Can you guys imagine that terrorist leader is a citizen of another country?


More looting:
“@LawDavF: Caught in the act stealing a ring from victim at #MH17 site. (via @MarcHilliker, @EastOfBrussels) pic.twitter.com/PNJS5aoGZJ”


Ukrainian troops captured 35 mercenaries, majority of whom were citizens of russia, particularly from Caucasus.

And now terrorists trying to bargain (article in English):
http://mic.com/articles/94556/the-malaysia-airlines-crash-in-ukraine-just-went-from-bad-to-worse

 

What a two face bastard...
I born and lived all my life in Ukraine, and all last week you and your friend Flash trying to tell me and this forum a bullshit about my country. And somehow it was kinda OK for you. But when I posted here one picture with your region you went nuts.

Ladies and Gentlemen. I would like to introduce two spherical russians in vacuum: Ashen and Flash. I want to assure you that 90% of all russians are like them. Two-face zombies believing Putin and Co propaganda and "Russian superiority". Never trust such people.

Go educate yourself, because it doesn't look like you "visited even Antarctica". "US, MI" is not Miami. Personally I think you've been nowhere and you're just sofa fighter.

 

You phailed with that "looting" bullshit "proofs twice already. On one of these "looting" shots rebel soldier shows the toy and says to "look who they killed" standing before the group of western journalists. Yeah, it was video. And except BS ukrainian media which not only lie but steal other's copyrighted work btw, nobody reported lootings, except, of course, some guys who quoted ukrainian media.

And again - shot from YouTube video. Why shot but not video itself? Maybe because it this case we'll be able to see what's going on and hear what they say?

P.S. So, Where's Poroshenko's "proof"? Russian ministry of defence released satellite photos, radar data and other stuff on that event. Where are US and Ukrainian data? Still drawing and rendering?
Also Boeing was indeed followed by Su-25 after all, so guy who said that he saw a small plane following that 777 wasn't lying after all.

But funniest part is that so-called "Russian" Buk was found in a city controlled by Ukrainian army. Idiots posted a picture with a billboard with an address of a local car dealer, not to mention a number of that Buk that indeed belongs to Ukrainian army and was never captured, because rebels posted photo with different unit, which lacks important parts and can't shoot at all, also all missiles there are in place. There was the only part of truth in that "Russian" Buk fake - it indeed lacks one missile. Stupid liars shot themselves in a foot.

Damn today Ukraine government and media can't even forge a good fake. So lame.

 

You can find unedited videos with that "bullshit". Especially with combat readiness and equipment of the army which was once powerful enough to conquer the whole Europe in a month. Now they were unable to subdue a bunch of poorly armed rebels in a months. a few thousands with 20-30 tanks (including 2 WW2 tanks) and APCs, WW2 weapons vs more than 10 times bigger army. It takes not days, months.

And it's me who say bullshit, not you, who took a picture of a girl who was killed by ukrainian army missile and show it as a "Russian victim"?
Also Ashen said that he lives in Daghestan, right now.

Too much talk after so many of your fakes were debunked.
Also again you proven that you're a stupid nationalist twerp. "Zombies", 90% and stuff. Unlike you i don't post edited fakes or screenshots instead of full videos. Nor do i call all or 90% of Ukrainians "zombies". Even if Ukrainian mass media now puts DPRK to a shame when it comes to censorship and propaganda.

You quoted "Echo Moskvy" which is not only against russian government, but also sometimes post plain anti-russian things, in some european countries some things are enough for a year or two in jail. But they continue to work, along with a lot of other opposition media, left, right, whatever. Nobody kills, beats or threatens them.

Euronews, for example pictured 08.08.08 war in the beginning as it's russian army attacked Georgia, nobody pulled the plug on them. During the actual war. (It was funny when about two weeks later they admitted that it was Georgian army who attacked first). Is it the same for Ukraine?

As if it's mandatory for the people from outside US to know those abbreviations and codes. I'm a pilot but i don't know every ICAO or IATA code for every fucking airport.

Maybe "education" for you means that everyone must know something like license plates from every country?
Miami, Milwaukee, Mississippi, Michigan - whatever. The only thing that matters that you're far from the Ukraine. So you're much more of a sofa fighter here.
And like i said before - if you love new Ukrainian goverment so much - go fight for them. Not from "sofa" as you do now.

P.S. You said you will ignore us. So much butthurt so you just can't resist?

 

Post the video or didn't happened.

Which guy? Proofs? An propaganda-owned idiot on Spanish twitter account who were reposting russia today stuff two weeks ago?? He posted his tweet one hour later after crash. And it was done because on the next day twitter will not show exact time, but "Yesterday". Or was it that drunkard lady who were telling on your propaganda TV that Ukrainian troops crucified an infant at public?
Oh man, you're totally nuts.
First there weren't any SU-25 there. Proofs?
Second: https://twitter.com/belpartisan/status/491291502837252096/photo/1
Rough translation for English-speaking here:
"SU-25 version of russian ministry of defence is a total bullshit targeted for russian citizens. Highest altitude for SU-25 is 5.6km (which is ~18400ft) and highest hit altitude for it's artillery is 7km (which is ~23000ft)".
(it was said by well known russian military pilot)
MH17 was flying on 10000km (which is ~33000ft), can you do the math?
Third:
Four: How would you explain the fact that right after MH17 was shot terrorists posted news that they just destroyed Ukrainian military AN-26? It was posted everywhere and it's as obvious as a tip of your nose that they did a terrible mistake because they thought that they are shooting Ukrainian military plane.

I really don't get it, hundreds of proofs and photos of that SA-17, are you really so dumb or you just blindly protecting your regime? Citizens filmed videos, did a lot of photos, US registered launch of rocket from that same place and there are all proofs which were shown to everybody on government level (UN, NATO, EU).

Fake?

What would you say, is Australia wrong? Is UK wrong? Is US wrong also? Maybe Malaysia or Netherlands? And Canada? Do you think that it isn't true and russia doesn't supply weapons to terrorists? It seems like all countries in the world are against you. Maybe they want to destroy russia because it became too powerful?
The answer is much more simpler: your country did a military invasion to Ukraine. Your citizens and a bunch of crazy local brainwashed terrorists are killing Ukrainians, and not only western and central Ukrainians, they are killing and rob locals. And because of this every russian will become outlaw in most of the world. Your country will be isolated, no business, no money, no fame, only vodka and putin. And most interesting thing is that with this war you lost your greatest ally, and it will never be the same again.

Here's fresh video how terrorists use "Grad" to shoot Donetsk to make locals think that it's Ukrainian army. Care to explain?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6cP3TFZp80&feature=youtu.be

It was a reply to Ashen, not to you, can't you read?

Oh god, do you check your sources?? That girl's name was Anastasiya Lutsyshyna and she was killed more than one year ago by taxi driver, in russian city Ussuriysk, proof:
http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/290...i_devochku_vydayut_za_pogibshego_v_slavyanske
Do you have more to say?

Yes I skimmed through and I couldn't resist. Really I think I should stop, because of your stubbornness and it doesn't seem anything will change your opinion. It's better to wait a year and then we'll see what will happen.

Well, doesn't look you're pilot, if you would be the one - you wouldn't bullshit us about that SU-25.

And finally here's official statement of our new nice prime-minister who at least is able to speak English without translator:

 

Want some proof, dickhead?
Watch this^_^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvoZTVwhs1A
May be you meant looters was from ukrainian army?^_^
Second - this "pilot" is so pilot...
Watch info provided by ukrainian website:
http://uos.ua/produktsiya/aviakosmicheskaya-tehnika/84-cy-25
Highest practical altitude 7000-10000 meters.

Info taken from this ukrainian document:
http://irbis-nbuv.gov.ua/cgi-bin/ir...OAD=1&Image_file_name=PDF/aktit_2013_7_11.pdf
Finita la comedia, ukrainian motherfuckers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrhEzecCdTI
Americans and Porosenko sayd, they have "some proofs" and never shown them. Russian sayd the same and revealed these proofs. Everything wiil be allowed to recheck and confirm to international comission.
So story is repeated, just like in 2001, when ukrainians shot down another aircraft, killing civilians.