The Political thread ... rant away.

http://ukraineinvestigation.com/russia-continues-to-lie-photos/
Debunks just everything these two impolite gentlemen say here.

 

Ah, pseudopatriot shows up again? Hey, coward, why didn't you return to Ukraine? Your president wants you served as cannon fodder in south-east of Ukraine^_^
By the way, 'bout your babbling about "all countries against Russia" - didn't you tried autofellatio? More and more countries in europe (i don't mean government, but usual people) turn their voices against Ukraine and US (and even against their own government), tired with all this lie about Ukraine and Russia situation. They finally understand, that is their enemy is not Putin and Russia, but US with their fake "democracy".
And you said earlier that you'd be glad to be on Maidan... You have a great chance to show all of us your heroism, returning to Ukraine, killing civilians and protecting your country from "russian terrorists" ^_^ Go back to your motherland, sneaky coward!

UPD: Video for our ukrainian coward superg:

 

Updating thread:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html
superg claims that there is no nazis on Ukraine, UK Telegraph claims otherwise^_^

 

Ukrainian army is care about civilians, said superg. But ukrainian army don't give a fuck 'bout civilians and gladly shoot at ambulance.

 

American heroes attack Iraq kids Armed soldiers against childrens. And that shit you call a democracy?

 

In part of the new cold war on russia the evil american empire tells their saudi vassals to flood the crude market, despite the blowback on our domestic fracking industry and GDP. One year later the dipshit masses are still gibbering about an a-rab conspiracy.

P. T. Barnum gravely overestimated the general intelligence level.

 

...and underestimated how quickly that level would lower.

 

Dunno if anyone's been following UK politics much, but we've had something of a Bernie Sanders moment. The considerably left-wing Jeremy Corbyn, lifelong backbencher and serial party rebel and outlier, has been elected Leader of the Labour Party and subsquently Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. The previously centrist-left party is experiencing a sharp march leftward. Among other things it could jeopardise plans for additional runways in London airports and plans for HS2 rail (assuming Labour is elected in 2020)...

 

Here's a video of a huge demonstation in Warsaw, Poland, against the arab immigrant flood.
Weird how no one is talking about this demonstration.
The video is in polish but you can turn on subs (i don't know polish either).
A nationalist leader says some interesting things (despite me being internationalist):
1 Why are the immigrants coming in this huge wave now? The war has been going on for four whole years.
2 How did they get here? They're talking about a million refugees. How did a million people get into one of the world's most secure and advanced region?
These question makes me think that either the bosses in Brussels have a special plan for these people (cheap and exploitable work force) and made sure they got here or that they're more corrupt than we ever thought.
Skip to 2:04 to Watch the demonstration.


This second video also raises quite a few thought worthy questions as to what might be going on.

 

House of Lords yesterday voted to delay a controversial regulation by HMG on tax credits. HMG insisted to do so was unconstitutional, but the Lords has gone ahead anyway, arguing they have the right to.

 

1) Saying the war simply going on is a ridiculous oversimplification of things. Some of the reasons that pushed the current crisis is the recently increasing advancement of Islamic State into Syrian territory that is populated by religious minorities, the enhanced efforts of smugglers and the according chain reaction of even more refugees joining the current action. There has been propaganda that Europe will shut its gates soon, so more people than ever decided to leave now even though they may had planned it for a long time.

2) "One of the world's most secure region" - Europe has open borders. You are misrepresenting the facts in a way that suggests sabotage and conspiracy if you say it would be impossible for so many refugees to enter the EU. The reality is that this is not surprising at all, surprising is just the lack of preparation on behalf of EU politicians.

Also don't listen to nationalists. I don't understand the language in the video, but I know what German nationalists say and it's freaking retarded. Nationalists are appealing to the lowest gut-feeling bullshit, and I hope you'll end up not truly believing the conspiracy garbage that you already referred to as almost fact.

 

The nationalists have a point and it's not being adressed by anyone else. And the point is that there are major flaws with the current integration models. Meaning we already have a problem with troublesome immigrant neighbourhoods (aka "ghettos"). This is right now (not tommorrow) and while we already have this problem let's take in a million more. No. Fcuk that. How about we do something about these ghettos first and then we can invite 10 more millions. But let's solve one issue at a time.
According to the Swedish government's statistics, an immigrant costs Sweden about 200 000 euros. That's assuming they find a job and pay their taxes.
As for "Europe has open borders". I hope you're not an ignorant idiot and realise that these open borders only concern people who already are EU citizens. Most of these so called poor refugees (who payed a good dollar to get here) got here illegally, not because of "open borders". And illegal immigrants are subject to deportation by law.
"Surprising is just the lack of preparation on behalf of EU politicians."
This is complete bullsiht. If you really believe this then I guess we really don't have much to discuss on this topic.
They're not clinically retarded you know, lack of preparation might as well have been a kind of preparation.

Also how about Canada takes in the so called "syrian" refugees, huh?
Your "independent" government pledged to take in a mesmerizing number of 1300 refugees!
Wow that's soooo humane. Sweden takes in 1000 a day.
Now look at the map and wikipedia. Compare the countries by their economic potential and population, take into account that we already pay 200 000 euros one way for one refugee, and then talk to me about "opening my heart" and "not listen to nationalists".

 

Pointing out the obvious problems wrapped in hateful and manipulative semantics is "having a point"? Yes, then certainly the nationalists have a point. Trust me, I am very certain all governments know very well that there is a crisis going on. The nationalists, regardless which country, have no solutions - all they do is trigger the fear and insecurities of the common people to gain popularity. They don't offer any alternatives except for short-sighted dumb stuff like "close borders" and "send them back". There are no serious long-term solutions to the problem, but they don't have to put in that kind of thorough work because the people who follow them wouldn't bother to read through it anyways.

They are not illegal immigrants, they are temporary residents who all have to apply for refugee status. Many of them will be denied, certainly, but given the situation in Syria and other countries there are also many refugees who came here to seek safety, just like Europe offered them.
Of course they "paid good dollar to get here" you asshole, they paid the last money they had to flee, often leaving their families behind. You sound like you are infused by nationalist propaganda garbage that presumes most refugees are doing fine in their country and just come to Europe to "do even better". Do some research on what life is like for a Christian in IS-annexed territory.

What does that even mean? I bring up a point and you say "bullshit, end of discussion"? You really embrace nationalist shortsightedness.

I am German, not Canadian. Under the new government, Canada will take 25,000 Syrian refugees - not much, I agree. My home country takes much, MUCH more than yours (800,000 this year). If anyone had the right to be overconcerned and nationalist it should be me, but then again I don't think you're doing objective research on the topic.

 

You sound like an asshole. Despite the fact that you can only recite populist slogans, and label me (because yes every person who doesn't think like you yahoo leftist populists MUST be feeding in to the "racist propaganda") like an asshole would do. I'm not saying you are an ignorant asshole for offending me and for taking for granted my sources of information (yes of course i base my opinion exclusively on racist propaganda, what else? Clearly that's the case since I don't share your bs views), I'm just saying you certainly sound like an asshole. You can't even survive a whole sentance without labeling me a nationalist or someone who embraces their "shortsightedness".
I'm going to spell it out for your naive, leftwing, mind exactly what I mean.
The EU isn't made up of idiots, who have to label other people because they don't agree with them (mind you I don't mean you). The people in power, most of them, are very competent indeed.
Those in power knew very well that this "crisis" was coming. For one thing, because they are surrounded by people who are payed to predict this sort of thing. Assuming they knew, and I believe they did, there can be several conclusions: 1 they are grossly corrupt and knowingly let it turn into a "crisis"
2 They knew of it and plan to use it as stepping stone to further the EU federation agenda. And it seems like they already are - with calls for more "unification" over this issue and EU wide immigration laws.
Basically either way it's scheisse for those of us who like their independance. Germany doesn't count, you're still occupied by the US.

 

I am not leftwing. I am an observer who bases his opinion on what is happening. I don't want more refugees in my home country, or to be more precise, I'd welcome some responsibility by jerk countries like the US or the rest of pussy EU who just shut down the borders (woohoo, a 350mio people country with the biggest gun exports into Syria now takes as many refugees within 6 months as one German city on a weekend, I'm truly amazed by your hospitality, America!).

The main difference between me and you is that you refuse to accept that this crisis is not directly benefitting a third party, e.g. the US or politicians who "want to see Europe in scrambles". This crisis fucks up interior German politics, and it's irrational to suggest the current situation was the long-term plan of European leadership. If it was, then it backfired and got out of control. It is very possible that such a rapid influx was not predicted until shortly before it happened, when it was already too late to prepare appropriately. The EU was more than busy until August with managing the Greece problem so that a coming refugee crisis may not have been first priority at the time. Just a thought.

Your suggestion of a "EU federation agenda" has no backup. In recent years, Europe became more and more open by even accepting Eastern-European countries and opening the borders to Romania. All these developments are conveniently ignored when you, like the Nationalist groups you cite, are talking about all the big plans the European government supposedly has to fuck with its citizens.

All you say just oozes fear and groundless blaming of authorities. In other words, a great approach for rational criticism and finding a way to solve this crisis.

 

Europe needs an enema.

 

Lol'd. I see that you're of a high opinion of yourself. What is happening, according to you?

Waht scrambles are you talking about? A federation is the exact opposite.
Every time there is a so called "crisis", (2008 economy-crisis, grexit-crisis, brexit-crisis, Russia-crisis, refugee-crisis, ebola-crisis etc etc) the EU top always call for greater EU cooperation and greater "unity" among EU "states" (as opposed to nations) and always end up taking a new legislative step towards an EU federation.
Federation is the opposite of being in scrambles, as a German resident you should know this as Germany is a federation. Just like USA and Brazil, a federation is a union of states.
A federation is:
that a member of a federal union
1 can not leave the union unilaterally
2 surrenders their independence (which is obvious from #1) to a central, federal government
3 The result is one country, one flag, one capital. United States of Europe
4 etc etc etc

What is your counter argument, I've said mine, what's yours? Irrational - is this your argument? Come on.
Greece was not a problem, it was a show for the greek masses.

My dear Sir, for the last time, please point to the place where I've actually quoted a nationalist or from here on out I shall call you an inbred commie farmer who sleeps with his father.
As for the EU "fuck with its citizens". I never said this either your ignorant racist (yes, I'm going to baselessly call you racist because that's what you've been doing to me).
It seems that you have no clue on what a federation is (one country). Read up on it on wikipedia.
I said they're working towards a federation and I personally don't want my country to give up it's independence to Brussels. It doesn't necesseraly mean that an EU federation (=ONE country) is bad per definition. It means that I want my country to make it's own decisions within a free Europe, where you can always leave it if you want.

Bla bla bla, you can shove your populist, leftwing, hipster talk back to where it came from (your "independent" media).

 

If 3 rights make a left...

Do 3 shifts to the bleeding edge of the right wing actually make a shift to the extreme left wing?

 

UH I think the answer is Bernie Sanders. Just because Bernie Sanders should be the answer to something.

 

The odds of it actually happening:

1 dimensional: No
2 dimensional: Yes, technically. Both polarized extremes exist simultaneously with much friction over concentrated interests in a limited binary state xy. A flat 3 right-turn path is one of many possible results.
3 dimensional: Both occur simultaneously without much friction in a limitless quantum superstate z.
4 dimensional: Waves of seasons and obsolescence, Superstate transcends
5 dimensional: Ultimate transcendence, all that is and was and will be is one

Earth <= 2D