The unmoderated NEO GEO thread

I was just posting my experience and how I felt as a customer who was burned. It was not a personal attack against you, though you might feel differently. Remember I never once said a single bad thing about you or NGF on my Neo-Geo website or on any others in the past.

You can't just write off anyone who was not happy with your service as crazy, having a personal grudge against you, or jumping on the NG.com bandwagon. I'm not a part of any of those...

Yes you did send me a MS3 original insert, but it doesn't really make us even. I thought I was buying a Metal Slug 3 USA AES with the quality every bit as good as SNK was shipping at the time.

And you did promise to send some Neo-Geo flyers that I was looking for, but somehow that quickly turned into a business proposal for you. It went from "Matt, I am here to help you" to "Paypal me $220 and I'll send you a bunch of stuff". I'm not going to paste our PM's verbatim, but You knew my financial situation and you still asked me for $220 for something you promised to send for the price of shipping. "You will have to cover shipping this time" I believe you said.

 

can millions of dollars not buy a decent printing setup?

 

I doubt he made that much money. However a ''Decent setup'' can consist of glossy/photo paper and a decent printer.

 

Dion,
I can’t comment on the KOF2000 NGF version as I’ve never owned the English home cart.
My question to you would be why didn’t you have the Metal Slug 3 inserts professionally printed as well?
You knew collector’s spending hundreds of dollars on this wouldn’t be happy with an 80 cent printing job.

You are the one who asked me which posters I needed... My problem is that it turned from a friendly gesture of you sending me a couple posters you had extras of to this....

Dion (From PM):
If you can, just send me $220 and I'll include a lot of neo flyers (I have about 20 available)(all new)(all english)

You turn everything into a business opportunity for yourself. You take
advantage of people and I'm not even sure you realize it anymore...

So that's really all I have to say about that.

 

All the NGF inserts are good and no one ever complained till it became the "in thing to do" at ng.com. I've seen hundreds of official items with much worse production, but no one complains. (sega items, nintendo, turbo, etc...) People at ng.com didn't believe NeoGeoFreak was licensed, and they took their frustrations out against Chris and myself on a personal level.

Guilemot's neogeo manuals are black/white and they did print some black/white inserts. NeoGeo do Brasil did the same thing on many early released and on their neogeo cd titles/systems.

As I said before, I was willing to send you some flyers for FREE. You had to cover shipping. You then asked for specific flyers and you also asked for 3 aes inserts and 3 aes manuals.

We then made a deal for $110 for the inserts, manuals, shipping, and paypal fees.... and I was still giving you FREE flyers.

But let's drop the issue about the free items. Actually, you chose not to complete the deal for the inserts and manuals, so let's not mention any of the personal deals. That was between you and I, and you shouldn't have made dollar amounts public.


NGF inserts = LICENSED
As for the NGF inserts not being offset printed:
Back in the mid to late 90s, and even to this date, offset printing was/is very expensive. Now, professional grade copiers/printers used at places like FedEx office, Office Max, etc... have gotten much better and offer much higher resolutions than they did 12-15 years ago. Sorry if you felt it wasn't up your standard, but back then we offered an official and licensed product to all people who wanted the NGF inserts.

There are a lot of people who really like the NGF inserts. You're entitled to your own opinion and I don't mind the criticism. It's just when people attack on a personal level or try to accuse NGF, Chris, or myself of scams that is bothersome and not accurate.

The bottom line is, NGF inserts are official, authorized, and LICENSED by snk. Both chris and myself, and many other people, preferred them over the snk inserts.
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Well, I never made a deal for $110, but whatever. I inquired about a few inserts and manuals, expecting them to be cheap because the complete games (NOS) could be found for less than $20 each. Again, it was an inquiry, not a deal.

I felt it was important to make the amount clear to those reading since it is a rather large jump from FREE to $220. Otherwise, yes I agree they should remain private....

NFG Insert
The fact is I threw out your MS3 label and made my own from an original Japanese MS3 scan and sold it on eBay (full discloser in my description). I was actually worried that if I sold it with your label I would end up with negative feedback from the buyer. That's how bad it was!

The label I printed was done on an off the shelf Epson color Inkjet printer (on 8.5" x 14" coated paper). It looked almost identical to original SNK printed Neo-Geo inserts. Keep in mind, this was in 2000 and it probably cost me all of 40 cents in ink and paper to achieve that quality. Was it crazy for me to expect something similar from my $400 purchase from you?

 

The key thing to remember is the NGF insert is official, authorized, and LICENSED.

A licensed product that has fair production quality, is still a licensed product.
An unlicensed product, with great production quality, is still unlicensed.
NeoGeoFreak inserts are official, authorized, and LICENSED. (key issues)

I feel the NeoGeoFreak inserts were well above average in terms of quality. Especially back when we first offered them in 1996/1997. Of course, I'm biased.

Many people have purchased NGF inserts and have come back wanting more. Eventually getting a full run for each genre (action, puzzle, racing, shooting, sports). If the inserts weren't good, we wouldn't have been able to sell them to so many collectors.

Today's technology would make them look better. One day I'll have to give it a try and send someone to print an insert for me. I want people to be happy with the NGF inserts. With printer capabilities reaching new levels of resolution and color depth, I'd be more than happy to offer new and improved NGF inserts.
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pretty sure that somewhere between this thread and the NGF history thread it was stated they made millions off their neo geo empire

Dion why don't you just find a local magazine printer who can give you a fair price for professionally printed inserts instead of printing at home

 

see the glory that is Dion.

nothing gets him down. he always has an answer for those wanting reparations. so the conversions sucked monkeys ass and the inserts where poor quality. they are official. so.....

do not question the Dion

 

Dion I do work for a publication and it really would not cost too much for a run of high quality inserts I'm sure, might really wanna look into it, you could prolly recoup

 

Not sure if I can ask it in here but..

what is the most accurate, the best of the best mvs adapter for the aes ?
is there any adapter will work 100% even with pirate cartridges without slow down and things like that ?

 

The best and most compatible is the Super MVS Converter II v2 with the blue LED. It will run any and all MVS carts including compile carts, just be aware that slowdown is a fault of the machine itself, not the carts and that while the converter does work with all MVS releases you will notice some very slight graphical glitching on some titles like Samurai Spirits V, Garou: MOTW, The King of Fighters 2003 and SNK vs Capcom: SVC Chaos. Nothing major but it's there all the same.

 

Thank you

This will be my birthday present in july!

 

Do you know about the recent upgrades to the "Pranslation" MVS to AES adapter? I think they were able to eventually upgrade it to the point where it can load any game and has no gfx glitching like the others.

That scaling glitch can be really annoying.

Here's the thread where they figure out how to get it working with larger MEG and protected games...
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showt...n-(MVS-gt-AES-adapter)-Info-and-Compatibility

 

No, sorry. I gave up on Neo MVS and AES carts a couple of years ago due to a number of reasons and sold off nearly all my carts, both consoles and converter and just play the disc versions of the games now on my toploading Neo CD player. For newer non-CD based games I'm afraid I'm nothing but a dirty thieving bastard pirate and just play the ROMS on my modded Xbox or have bought the games for the DC or PS2. The Neo scene is a minefield of dupes, boots and conversions and it's just too much like hard work for something that's meant to be fun.

Saying that, I wouldn't mind a consolized MVS system though as I still have a few MVS carts tucked away but the prices they go for on ebay are just a piss take. I did put an ad here in the WTB section but got no replies, maybe it's time to give it a bump and treat myself to a 161 in 1 cart...

 

I like the arranged music on some of the Neo-Geo CD games, but the loading times are beyond horrible on most of them. They also cut frames of animation in order to fit the games into the small amount of system RAM.

As long as you realize those pirate carts don't actually have all of the games they claim to they aren't too bad I suppose. My friend bought one... a 120 or something and it had around 50 actual games, with the rest being hacks. For example Metal Slug 6 on the cart is actually Metal Slug 3 with some graphic changes. Obviously MS6 wasn't released on the Neo-Geo so that's a pretty big clue. ;-)

 

I just want to say something.
I may not be super involved in the neo community, and i may be a newb. But I like to read, a lot. and ng.com has plenty to say about NGF. I read as much as i could, listening to all the complaints and qualms with NGF over the years. And i also read all the threads here pertaining to NGF here too. and i have come to the conclusion that NGF hasn't done anything wrong. Honestly. I may get flamed or receive bad e-karma for my statement here but no one has any real concrete negative stuff to say. It seems to me that if NGF had any kind of impact on the NG community it was positive. These dudes went way out of their way to turn what they loved to do into a business and because of that brought over a lot more aes stuff than might have otherwise came stateside. And honestly, Why do people have to make fun of shirts so much? it was the freaking 90's!! but thats all i ever seem to hear on the other forum.
"Look, NGF is selling on ebay again"
"Oh yeah? Remember those flamboyant shirts? lol."
Reallllly, who cares about shirts. and why is that the Go To insult? i think Dion has done an excellent job filling us in on the other side of the story, and it all makes sense. Good sense.

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You can't really base your thoughts on Neo-Geo.com threads. You will end up with wrong ideas and a lot of wasted time for the most part.

Though if you spent $400 on a brand new OFFICIAL Neo-Geo game and received a photo copied insert of extremely poor quality and the instruction manual with "NGF" stamped throughout you may quite possibly have a different opinion on the matter.

 

This is true.

 

OK, but keep in mind, my opinion is based on fact and personal experience while yours is based on internet rhetoric & ??.

Anyway I'm done. I've already wasted too much time with this topic. We're officially on minute 15 here.