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Sure, but if your neighbour, or religious authority, or father or mother, or your family, forced you to wear a suit (Still not as uncomfortable as a facemask) everyday for the rest of your life, and if you didn't you're a fucking whore, a disgrace, and they stone you to death, then yeah, the suit wouldn't be so freely worn by you now, would it?

You would be "free" to wear whatever, but oppresively forced by the prejudice of others, in the guise of culture. That's precisely where the contradiction I was referring to falls, man.

They should wear them if they really want to, but nobody really wants to, it's just an imposition by others. You can call it culture, but I see no progress in women's rights if this issue isn't looked at.

So it's fucking Catch 22, man. If you forbid them, you're being an intolerant fascist, and if you allow them, you're allowing others to be chauvinistic woman-hatin' fascists.

What could be done?

 

Let them have their own revolution. If their women feel oppressed and want to be treated as equals they need to speak out it and fix the problem from within. It happened in Western society and it can happen anywhere else. Yes, it's a very long way off and yes, that's shitty. Fundamentally, though, it's not our fight, and not our place to dictate what other people in other countries do with their lives.

Don't you see how subjective a judgement that is? In some tribal cultures it's absolutely normal for women to walk around with no top on. Do that in any English-speaking country and you'll probably be arrested for indecent exposure. Why aren't we up in arms about this forceful, oppressive prejudice? Because it's our culture, with our wholly subjective cultural norms. Whenever you pass judgement on another culture, keep that in mind.

 

I dig what you're saying, man, I understand and everything. But sometimes, in these cultures, women are not allowed to even speak. I mean, I live in a country where "religious tolerance" in the same sense gave the government back to the Catholic Church, and boy are we getting fucked because of that.

It's very fascist of me to aggree with the ban, but really, that shit just perpetuates oppression. But you can't fight oppression with oppression, which is why both you and I are right.

But these people cannot fight their own fight under those circumstances. It really is a fucking complex issue. Still, I'm in favour of the ban, even if that fucker Sarkozy is a cunt.

 

The line between religious freedoms and violations of human rights is a thorny issue. I'm as atheist as they come, so the whole idea that religions get given carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they like baffles me to begin with, but if we accept that premise then yeah - they can point at their holy book and say "God thinks women are stupid and shouldn't be allowed to speak" and that's that. The text in question isn't even the source of the problem per se, it's just emblematic of a wider stupidity: the belief that ancient books written by bronze age cavemen should instruct how we live our lives. I can't fix this, though (nor can I in my own country, nor even my own family - my Grandmother has been a lifelong Christian), and as mentioned before I'd consider it arrogant to attempt it, so I just have to leave them to it. If their women are tired of oppression and can't address those issues in their country of origin then they need to emigrate somewhere more secular.

 

Emigration nor revolution is the answer - it is education. If a bunch of bullshit in some ancient book written by the mentally ill on drugs is all you know, then you're going to take it as fact. Islam doesn't help with it's own in-fighting - there are many sects but allegedly only one is correct yet they all believe they are correct vs the must 'crush the infidels within their own culture es well as everywhere else too.

Sadly we do live in a country whre multiculutralism has failed. America sort of has the melting pot of everything whereas Canada sort of integrated French and English sides well with it's on tint. The UK on the other hand is a sack of shit. People have forgotten or never knew what it meant to be british - instead the streets are populated by pissheads, smackheads and women who expect their whole lives paid for them because they will have sex with you and guys who think they can get paid a lot for kicking a ball somehowmakes their lives worthwhile. Oh yeah and the good ol hooliganism and the mass production of Wigga chavs etc don't help either. It is no wonder so many people fuck off to Australia...

 

Norway: Muslim girls beaten for not wearing the hijab

That is scary.

Or what about this search I did

http://www.reddit.com/search?q=norway+muslim&restrict_sr=off&sort=relevance

Pretty fucking scary

or this article here

Outcry over Muslim 'morality police'

 

Um. What? When did that happen?
Lots of my friends are foreigners or are of mixed heritage. Strange how they seem to get on fine with their neighbours in spite of the "failure" of multiculturalism, eh?

There are problem areas in Britain where cultures clash but my experience is that people mostly get along regardless of where you're from. Not that you'd know it from watching the news, of course. Obviously there's the odd few racist fuckheads but they're the minority - loony fringe groups like the BNP, basically people who are stupid/crazy/both.

It's interesting you'd pick the US out as being an example of successful integration, given the phenomenon of white flight. I'm not saying it's a US-only issue, but the US is the poster child for it.

 

I hear you there, Alchy, and yeah... it is indeed a thorny issue. If it were just simple to get rid of all oppression, mankind would already have reached space. Damn it, this species really gets me down sometimes...

In other news, switching to a more optimistic topic, I am currently eating a Chivito.

Fuck yeah.

 

Most people are content to believe in some sort of crap to justify their existence, their miserable life etc. The problem arises when they manifest this opinion or use it as a means to their own ends. It's just a self-righteous expression of their ego.

For this I can only advise that children should be taught the difference between objectivity and subjectivity. Don't arm them with ideas that you think are right, let them (do drugs) and find out by themselves.

In the end, you must realize that chaos and dysfunction are all parts of the way everything in the universe works. Human macro-behaviour adheres to the same predictable principles.

 

Alchy you got this twisted

The first girl I ever kissed was Chinese, I'd shag a pretty girl whether they are black white or pakistani, but at the same time multi-culturalism has failed.

No one is saying people can't communicate on an individual basis, but a culture is bigger than one race or person. Most immigrants are dumped into sink estates and if I go and visit one, believe it or not I'm the nigger. They're all plonked in the same dense places and hardly spread out, so they hardly mix with the natives. You may mention Chinatowns but that is diffrent - the chinese tend to get them as rewards for doing hard labour. Lets not forget this country was also built by 3rd class citizens, the poor and the celts.

The other problem is in integrating other peoples identites and adapting our culture to fit them we have lost sight out of own culture. What does it mean to be british any more? I'm not saying immigration is a bad thing when done correctly, but immigrants should come here and become british (at the same time as being themselves), not britian become a stranger to it's people.

The problem most people have with immigration is not actually racism but infrastructure. You cannot blame someone for wanting a better life, but you can get that back home if you put the hours in and be the change you want to see instead of going elsewhre and taking advantage of theirs. I understand britain has a debt to some countries due to invasion and occupation, but the best way to deal with a situation is to help them help themselves.

Also as for mentioning the USA and Canada, it wasn't as a beacon as society but to show the 2 main forms of multiculturalism which in many ways are more successful than the failure of ours.

 

RIP E.D.

lol

 

I honestly think Bradford isn't that multicultural. Theres a lot of different cultured people here sure. But its almost like its segregated. There are areas where only Asians live and areas where only white people live. There are asian areas where white people live but those areas are predominantly asian.

 

It should be the goal of an immigrant to assimilate to the host country. That is how it used to work and why it worked better in the past. These days though there seems to be a complete reversal in this regard. Now governments seem to do whatever they can to coddle and not force immigrants to assimilate. All that does is cause isolation to the immigrant population and resentment to the native population. Multiculturalism is an experiment that was doomed to fail from the start.

 

I think that if you want to build religious buildings go ahead. Just don't try to affect politics with it. Too much sayings,words or actions that a few years ago was completely unracist is now racist because of the stranglehold religion has over politics and society as a whole. This is mainly why I object to religion.

 

Bought a shiny new Logitech wireless laser mouse to replace my ageing, five-year-old LED mouse. Turns out the laser can't track on my (matte black) desk surface, the pointer skips all over the place, but works fine if I put a piece of paper under it.

PROGRESS

 

My desk is absolutely knackered and gunk gets on the bottom of my mouse if I dont have a pad down. My brother nicked it (the desk)for about a year and up until then I had it for 2 years and it was mint pretty much. His sweaty ass wrists yanked the finish off of it. Thankfully my cousin gave me the exact same kind for free so its all good. At the moment I have the junk one to the side of me for piling junk on and the good one with my monitor, keyboard and mouse on.

 

Arf 5 days in row now I've had Chicken Vindaloo for tea - I think I got my fireproof arsehole now, but how long will it last? lol

EDIT: ooh 2500 posts too. Will drop when the old databse glitched posts finally get pruned though.

 

It seems I finally made enough cash for a 3DS. Getting a black one, too.

Now, I'm not into piracy or anything, but I am curious whether any one of you guys has had any success using an R4 on it (I use a super-card on my Phat DS, so that's not an option on this one). Mostly so I can use carts I already have and not carry them around - I've had people lose my carts and it drives me fucking mad.

 

I dropped a log today and I haven't quite got the fireproof arsehole yet but my body is adapting.

I'm also just mopping up another Vindaloo, I'm on my 6th day in a row now. I'll get there in the end!