Virginia Tech shooting - at least 32 dead

Wow, am I really going to have to spell it out for you? Are you really that dense? Respect for the innocent people who were injured/killed in this tragic event and those who survived it and have to live with this traumatic experience for the rest of their lives, which apparently no, you don't have, else you wouldn't be going on and on about gun laws, etc and using this tragedy as an opportunity to loudly (and disrespectfully) flaunt your opinions. This thread is for reflecting on what happened and expressing condolences. If you want to talk politics, there's a political thread for that. No need to hijack this one. Again, I implore you, please show a little respect.

This doesn't go for just Taucias, but for everyone else who is using this as an opportunity to put forth their views on gun control, the second amendment, etc (for or against), please take it to the political thread, which is where things of this nature are supposed to be discussed.

Again, this goes back to thread hijacking and this example is the worst yet. Not only does this comment or your last have nothing to do with the discussion (at least the gun control conversation is somewhat relevant but out of place), but it is demeaning and condescending and has no right to even be posted here. Why don't you learn a little bit about this horrific event before you convey these sarcastic remarks. There really is no need for them to be posted, they serve no purpose in furthering the conversation or sense of reflection for the poor individuals who where involved in this tragedy.


With that I would just like to say my prayers go out to the victims, the families of the victims and all to students at Virginia Tech. Peace be with you.

 

That's an interesting way to start sermon on respect.

 

Gentlemen, lets not drag this out any further. As has been said, take it to the politics forum.

As for on topic, this is a terrible event and my thoughts go out to those affected by the events. Tragic.

 

The tiny sentence I wrote...:

And what a fanatic translated it unto:

pls, stop putting words unto my mouth. k, thxbye

 

Wow. even a board full of some, at times, really immature people who poke fun at some pretty bad things*me included.V-Tech yo* managed to stay on topic and not hijack the thread on this. I'm a bit surprised actually. The people who started talking about gun control and blaming it on that are no better that Jack Thompson in my opinion

as for my thoughts on the subject. It doesn't effect me in the slightest but still. Alot of people died.

 

According to news reports, the gunman was using a Glock (9mm), and a .22 (either a rifle or handgun). On top of that, he lived in a dorm, on campus.


Now the question is: Did school officials know and allowed him to posess weapons on campus? Or did he hide them in secret?

Also, the serial numbers on the weapons were scratched off beyond recognition, according to another article I read.

 

In your opinion then, what is the purpose of this thread? Get off your high horse for just one moment and reassess your argument. By condeming us and posting replies to various people on here you are contributing to the 'hijacking' of this thread yourself. FYI the original starting post of this thread links this incident to videogames.

I have respect for the people that died and their families and the people involved. It is a terrible thing that happened. It should not have happened. However, it is perfectly natural that people will ask "How did this happen? WHY did this happen?"

Surely it is inevitable that the outcome of posting a news link to this kind of incident and then commenting Jack Thompson is going to raise responses such as mine. I have not made light of the deaths. I have not been sarcastic in any way whatsoever. I am not dense. Show some respect yourself before you come down on forum members for using a discussion forum for that exact purpose.

 

You strike me as pro-gun, do not worry little coackroach many more good deeds will be made thanks to them.

:noooo: and when I was finally going to believe that americans were beginning to grow a heart... what a fool I was:-(

 

o really? what gave you that idea? if anything i'm quite anti-gun. I belive anything automatic and all handguns should be banned completely. Those aren't meant to hunt with. those are meant to only hurt people.

I just think to start blaming everything but the shooter is wrong. Next people will be saying he had a pet spider Steve. And Steve was squished which showed him how the world was violent and thus twisted his mind forever:banghead:

btw. i'm canadian. so yes. this doesn't affect me at all

 

That's pretty blatantly racist, and racism usually results in a ban around here.

Calling another member a "cockroach" for their beliefs isn't far behind. If you can't keep it civil and avoid personal insults you shouldn't be posting.

 

I am sorry then, please accept my sincerest apologizes

btw. I am from France (it's not my nationality though) and it doesn't affect me either.

 

In my language it was not an insult, again stop putting words in my mouth. It' like saying "Tu apprend vite petit scarbee" that translates to coackroach and not what you tried to negativily turned it into.

 

What ? no !

I am saying, that I think it is very odd, that you can get a gun, before you can drink and have bedfun. But why I am talking about the other thing is, is that the world needs more love. Than guns. But well, it can be interpreted that way. Of what you said. But still it is indeed very odd, you can get a gun, before you can drink and have sex. I think, it should be the other way around, meaning 15 = yahoo now I can have consentual sex, 18 = yahoo now I can vote and drink. 21 = ok now I can write for a permit to get a gun. Since the law needs to tightened anyway.

Sorry, but I really do believe it is odd. You can get a gun earlier than almost anything else.

And to point it out very clear. I think this incident is terrible.

 

I will discuss more in detail later tonight (at work still).

The comment about him being south korean is the fact they primarly play MMO and RTS more then FPS games. I am not trying to be a sterotype ass here but even my korean friends openly admit that if koreans play games, its MMO or starcraft. So it's not a question of lack of access it's down to culturaly what south korean gamers play. This guy was from south korea and is not an american citizen or pernament resident (according to the news). So to say he sat around and played doom all day to train for this is just baseless speculation on the part of Jack tompson (who is well known for this).

Personaly I feel games are not going to cause someone to run out and kill people. A sycopathic mind is going to go harm someone regardless if video games exsisted or not. So to say "ah he played video games" is an explination as to why he did this is just pure bull crap.

Jack Tompson should never be taken serious by any means (kotaku ran an article just recently that points out errors in his fox news segment). Hell he was declaired an "expert in school shootings". :banghead:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/feature/feature-dissecting-jacks-lies-252914.php

 

They have identified the shooter as a 23 year old senior english (correction) student for those who are interested.

 

Why does everyone hate America? We have hearts! They get attacked all the time!

Did they ever find out what the motive was? I heard it was planned out? My friends were all ok thankfully, but a lot of people at my college were affected as many local kids were there and at the other end of the dudes gun. =(

On the gun control thing, my mom brought up a point (shes pro gun and has a concealed weapons permit, go figure) that if people practiced the right to bear arms stuff like that could be somewhat prevented because they'd have something to fight back with, although I don't think that applies to that case because, well, it's a school.

Myself, I think if such a thing as guns didn't exist it would solve the problem, but I'm crazy! People would just think of other ways to kill each other though I guess.

 

Im not in much of a mood to read all these but based on the amount of complaints ive had in my inbox about this thread im gonna ask you all to calm down and think about whats happened and what these people are going through right now.

If you wanna talk about gun laws and why you think this has happened and your views on america there are other places to do this on the forum!

Anymore and im just gonna split this thread.

 

My condolences to the students & families involved in the shooting.

On a lighter note, you want to know what gun control is? Hitting what you aim at. ;-)

 

- Edit -

Just caught Paulo's post

 

Sorry WolverineDK but this can't be a discussion about the age of consent as frankly that is hardly at issue here. The gunman was 23 yrs old and it doesn't matter a jot whether the person holding a weapon in front of me is legally allowed to consume alcohol or legally conduct the sex act, vote or whatever - he would have a weapon!

From my particular point of view this is neither an anti-gun or an anti-American debate. I am a little tired of any criticism levelled at the US (in particular the current US administration) being deemed Anti-American.

The truth of the matter is that President Bush uttered the humble boll*cks of "you are either with us or against us" after the atrocities of 9/11. Of course at that particular moment in history 99.9% of the planet firmly stood behind America, however I disagree with much that has occurred in the name of that alliance since (that is for another thread completely). The discussion here is NOT about America, it is about American law and in particular the right to bare arms. That is the difference! I am perfectly at liberty to be highly critical of the American legal system and in particular the attitude towards gun ownership, even if I am a European (who happens to like America most of the time) as has anyone else who comments on the sad events of the last few days.

Also WDK, I am shocked that you describe your interest and fascination of "weapons" (tools?) in terms of finding them 'pretty'. If you have ever been the victim of an assault with a deadly weapon, suffered the consequences of someone elses actions and been either maimed or scarred for life I highly doubt you'd ever describe such impliments as 'pretty'. In fact I can think of no word less appropriate for such a piece of weaponry!

** Paulo, sorry I just caught your addition after I posted. I would like to say however that I find it strange that a thread relating to the tragic deaths of campus students by a gunman is considered OT if gun laws are mentioned. It is at the core of the sadness of this event. Being Scottish, having lived through the tragic events of Dunblane, I feel I am in a position to suggest that cultural attitudes regarding weaponry of any kind must change. The way this occurs is through political leadership and law re-enforcement (as many of the gun laws introduced after Columbine have been allowed to lapse under the current administration). I've twice been at the wrong end of a weapon and I can tell you, you soon change your mind about how cool they are once you are threatened with one.

Such events are generally preventable, but sadly the recognition tends to occur after the event.

That's all I have to say on this as I feel that MOD / Admin stance prevails and despite being ON topic, the arguement at hand is being deemed OT and potentially upsetting. That was never my intention.