Why do people hate Sega?

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  1. davidwilliam

    davidwilliam Spirited Member

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  2. sonicsean89

    sonicsean89 Site Soldier

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    If the Saturn had as many games in the US as Japan, it would be better remembered. Weren't like only 2-300 games released in the States for it? I know under 400 N64 games came out worldwide.
     
  3. amiga1200

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    to give an idea of the current known library on the n64, here's my ([no-intro] shared by DemonikD) directory list on the ED 64 (all regions, with overseas duplicates) unarchived of course, ED64 has no file expansion support, not that it matters with a 32g sd card in there..:smile-new: (and i've known a few folks of past to have saturn collections KILL to death a ps collection that the mainstream had, or whatever that was known at the time.
    saturn folks were few and far between, and it's a shame as the games on ps and saturn, the saturn beat em hands down on a cleaner polished game. (crisp resolution for one, alien trilogy smashed the ps version to ashes)
    (pot nights, good friends and 'BITS' got me hooked on the saturn 2d games.) i doubt this n64 rom list is complete, as in no possible misses. and i'm sure there's NO betas/unrelzd shit in this list, they DON'T count, because the public never got to see em as a RETAIL relz.
    i need to bug friend for a HORI pad..
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    typo.
     
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  4. DSwizzy145

    DSwizzy145 Well Known Member

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    I feel they need to get over it, cuz in my opinion Nintendo is on the same boat as well with not releasing their Super Famicom games to their eShop over to the US market and could at least labeling them as Japan Imports like how Sony of America does it with their PSN Store and that worked wonderful for the most part. And also how about the part where Nintendo region locked BOTH the Wii U & 3DS many people gotten upset and yet the company hasn't done shit to change that and lets not all forget the Super Mario All-Stars anniversary Wii release as how it's just ONLY a SNES rom on a single 4.6 or 4.8GB disc! You don't see Sega pulling this shit with their awesome complications but yet people still shits on the company cuz it's the right thing to do i assume nowadays.
     
  5. zetastrike

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    We only got roughly 250 games in NA, even less in PAL territories. Japan got at least 700, if not more.

    Still, there's more stuff I'd want to play in that list of 250 Saturn games we got than the entire N64 library. A lot more well rounded, whereas the N64 lived and died by Nintendo and Rare's 3D collectathons and kart racers.
     
  6. pool7

    pool7 Site Supporter 2014

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    Please don't do that. Not only you're mentioning illegally obtained ROMs and providing filenames, but said list is irrelevant to this thread.
     
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  7. amiga1200

    amiga1200 Dauntless Member

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    get off your high horse.
    this place talks about cracking systems...to play the full scope of banks, a softmod is one example. (retail, backup or file on hdd)
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    true, list isn't relevant put it there to help others, it was pointed out as a passing thought.
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    rom name?
    a google search would fine them anyway, and don't get me started on 'unrelzd betas'...which is ILLEGAL still...
    just because they never saw retail, doesn't mean THEY too can be 'obtained'...unless original creators come out online, and declared their work 'open'..or whatever?!
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    anyway, point taken.
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    typo.
    those who are watching, have the full catalogue anyways (ship has sailed, way before today) and looking elsewhere....(beside point)
     
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  8. Gamesquest1

    Gamesquest1 <B>Site Supporter 2014</B>

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    idk you know guys i love the snes, but there is also a few mega drive games i like, i will admit that i grew up with more snes games than mega drive, but i owned a mega drive first, i personally think the snes was better with more fun/enjoyable games, if you have to go into specs to get a win its not a good sign, personally i think the mega drive was/is a good console for quick blasts......theres nothing on there that could keep me playing for hours, where as i have fired up zelda about a dozen times and played all the way through.

    personally i find people who are upset by others points of view a bit silly, and if anything they come across more of a fanboyish for raging on people for holding a different opinion, if you love sega and think the games for the mega drive better, just be glad that you get the games for generally much cheaper and in much better condition than their snes counterparts.

    each to their own and live and let live, threads like this only add fuel to the fire by trying to pit one side versus the other, cant we all just agree we like retro games and wage war on the new games that imho are pretty poor in comparison XD
     
  9. zetastrike

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    There's several games on the MD similar to Zelda that you may enjoy, like Crusader of Centy/Soleil, Landstalker, Beyond Oasis/Story of Thor, and Light Crusader. If you factor in the SMS, there's Golden Axe Warrior and Golvellius.
     
  10. DSwizzy145

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    or Tougiou King Colossus which is also another Zelda type game as well ;-)
     
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    i will take a look, now that i think about it i have no idea the name of the game but when i was a kid i was playing a rpg game on the master system, i put so much work into it, but then at one point i think the game went wrong and couldn't go any further, i have always wanted to have another crack at that game, but as i said i have no idea what it was lol

    another game i really enjoyed on the master system was wonder boy 3 the dragons trap, tbh i think there is quite a few master system games i preferred over nes games.
     
  12. dc16

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    I love Sega because:
    Half the PS3 games I'm currently playing come from them: Yakuza 4, Binary Domain
    Sega Sound Team
    Daytona USA and other arcade games

    But I hate Sega because:
    No Yakuza Ishin, 5, or Kenzan?!
    Not enough Arcade games
    No more Sega Sound Team
     
  13. DSwizzy145

    DSwizzy145 Well Known Member

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    I agree lol, especially not releasing their Sega Ages games and Phansty Star Online 2 & not making Phansty Star Online 1 HD
     
  14. DeckardBR

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    Yakuza 4 and Binary Domain are reasons to buy a ps3. Amazing stuff there.

    On topic, I never understood the fanatical love of the snes. If you were a side scrolling shooter fan it actually had a pretty dismal library. If you liked nintendo platformers or JRPGS I can see it but other then that Genesis just has more games I go back too. Which brings me to the AVGN and his immature worship of the snes and nes. He did one of his James and Mike Monday playthroughs recently of Robocop Vs Terminator that was cross platform for genesis and snes. The genesis was known to have the better version and yet they played the snes version. Alot of the comments on that video were "why didn't you play the genesis version?"

    Modern Sega deserves some hatred because like Square they don't care much about the US and UK. They'll bring Sonic games here but it takes alot of tooth pulling to get anything released here in the west. Other then that, Sega is well regarded especially for Saturn and Dreamcast.
     
  15. Bobo Mcloud

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    Too many different fanboys to have a proper discussion, I'm a crazy fan of the 64 but when people try to tell me ps was better I won't bother because it never ends pretty. The master system was my first love, sonic2 is the bomb but I wasn't a fan of the mega drive's controller so I went to the snes. In the end it doesn't matter what others think just as long as you can find a group that appreciate the company as much as you. I followed a Australian retro face book page called "retro domination" and it's the opposite, they bash Nintendo all the time and praise Sega, it's always hard to hear your loved console getting disrespected.
     
  16. sonicsean89

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    The SNES' slower processor made shumps a chore, while the Genesis' faster processor (blast processing was a buzzword, but the Genesis processor was over twice as fast as the SNES, it mattered) made quick scrolling games easier to make. That's my biggest complaint about the SNES, all the games for it either feel unnaturally slow, or slow by design.
     
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    I think that people have a disliking (not hate) of Sega for 2 reasons mainly: in the 16bit era, Sega was Nintendos main competitor, and thanks to Ninty having restored the games industry back to respectability, most people were exposed to Nintendos systems the most. people naturally formed brand loyalty then (not so much now), and would bash anything seen as a challenge.

    more recently, (end of Saturn era on) Sega has earned quite a bit of derision for its decisions related to scisms and infighting between SoA and Sega Japan (Saturn games/console early termination, cost of the Genesis upgrades/ consoles, not listening to their base supporters ect) Had the 2 divisions still trusted each other, Sega couldave done much better, by the time the DC had arrived SoJ took total control,(as it has still) but it was too late, the damage was already done.

    I personally blame the Sega infighting for loss of focus and control of their share of the industry.
     
  18. artillery_ghosted

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    None of these games I quoted are "total trash." They're are sequels that screwed up and are half assed here and there, but if you think it's possible to produce nothing but perfect games then you are a fool. Try playing a game that is actually shit like Cheetahmen 2.

    I am far from a technical person so I was half expecting someone who really knows about consoles to correct me. AVGN isn't too knowledgeable either. Wasn't trying to mislead.
    You are letting this affect you too much. Like I said you can find anti anything people if you search for them. There are a surprising amount of people that are NEVER pleased. I've seen fan sites for franchises groan endlessly because the current game has a few flaws, and even after the sequel fixes them there are still people whining. Best thing to do is only listen to rational and non partisan arguments. People that have those tend to be smarter and make better friends.
     
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  19. karsten

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    I think no one actually hates sega. people frown on them. I just think people are not forgiving their MANY mistakes and betraial of their customers...

    no GG evolution in GB style
    mega cd, 32x...
    calling quits on saturn way, way way too soon and leaving all the field open for sony to dominate for ages
    basicaly no decent 3rd party support/decent rpg on dreamcast
    poor choices on games to import
    focusing too much on domestic market etc ect

    and lastly the great amount of garbage the released in the years after the dreamcast gave people impression that they were far less then they actually were
     
  20. DSwizzy145

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    Yeah i think if sega made a Sega Game Gear 2 sorta handheld during the GBA days (if the Sega Dreamcast was successful) they could've been up there with the GBA or whatever. And also like i said before it's fine & dandy when Nintendo makes big mistakes but let it be a different company like Sony & Mircosoft it's a huge deal! Maybe i should suck it up and let things go right about now but, sadly i can't come to that conclusion right now until someone comes up to the plate and stops this bullshit from happening!
     
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