Wii Successor at E3? Game Informer says yes

That would have been pretty decent five years ago.

 

nintendo has to be smart enough to not really do 1080i

 

If it's 25GB, that's single layer Blu-ray size.

 

It'd be difficult to find hardware in the shops that was 1080i-limited these days, much less on the production line for a new console. I call bullshit.

 

Why would 1080i be the kiss of death?
Are games rendered in 1080p more fun?

Seriously, what is up with the HD obsession? I have a 720p/1080i TV and games play exactly the same as on a CRT.

P.S. Not a fanboy, just tired of being told that games don't look good enough.

 

Why would 480i games be the kiss of death? Are games rendered in 480p more fun?

Honestly, I would've thought that at this point the benefits of a higher resolution were pretty plain.

 

Not to be dumb, and I'm not saying this to try to be hipster, but I see no benefits to HD graphics.

What do you feel these benefits are? I am honestly interested.

 

Are you serious? Everything evolves, and we demand better looking graphics. You wouldn't want to buy a $300 games console that could only output monochrome graphics, would you?

 

Apart from the obvious answer of it being more aesthetically pleasing to see well rendered crisp visuals conveying whatever landscape/character/effects you can see, and to actually be able to make out new levels of detail and appreciate the work that goes into certain things.

From a design perspective it gives you far more freedom, subtle texture and colour hews that aren't as easily picked up otherwise, at lower resolution complex of subtle pattern work or areas of complex geometry often turned into a garbled mess in games if you weren't up close in 3d games.

And from a perspective that has more to do with the arts higher resolutions allow a certain fidelity in producing simple shapes and how our eyes read them, curves that the eye tracks and sharpness of edges. The beauty of the environments of El-Shadi really highlight this, or even games which almost look vectorised like loco roco.

Granted if you're watching it on some 17 inch CRT even at 1080p you're not getting the most out of it, but even then the difference is staggering. This being said the general rule is a game only makes the most out of anything when its designed to run at said resolutions(so shoddy work that doesnt make good use of the high resolution or old games badly upscaled rarely turn out well), high resolutions don't make games more fun as that would be a huge oversimplification.

Its akin to giving an artist another colour to work with, he was making wonderful painting with just brown and green, but now he has more to work with, and therefore can create something new and different that beforehand couldn't be done.

I will end this rant now. I started typing think i'd only type one sentance...
But i'm from a design background and often have long chats about such nonsense all the time with people so i kind of just fell into it...lol. If you thinkabout each frame of a game or each vista or scene the director wants you to see, they want you to see it at its best.

However if you are really opposed to the artistic approach/arguments about games then how about plain and simple performance stuff.

FPS- More fine detail, you what would have been sub-pixel invisible data at a lower resolution you can see and therefore aim and react to movements or actions more accurately especially at long distance.
Racing- high def allowing you to read the terrain of the course better at distance allowing you to plan your route better in games like the modern sega rally

I'm not really into either of these genre, but the more you think, the more you have to play with the more is possible, like the zooming in the new Castlevania, the more you think the more examples you see. But there certainly are benefits i just think you're coming at it from too defensive a perspective.

The term HD graphics is so vauge anyway, the same/similar terms were thrown around back in the mega drive/snes and ps1/saturn days too for certain games.
E.g. Saturn bomberman's 10 player mode was only accessable when the saturn went into high resolution mode, because at a lower resolution you wouldn't have been able to display that.

EDIT -
Ok reading that back...
Don't write anything after being awake for 48 hours, what little ranting sense it made it did have some points.
My personal favourite part was when i said i would end the rant... and carried on.

 

I do see your point. Some games and landscapes really are works of art. Having them rendered in higher quality would be interesting to see.
What we need, then, is some well-designed games.

I would not pay $300 for a console with NES graphics, as SWE said.

On a side note, after this generation, what's next? Every console will be 1080p. Will they force 3d on us? Are they going to create super-duper HD?

 

Games rendered in native 1080p with decent AA, no dropping below 60fps perhaps. There is a surprising amount of headroom for consoles when it comes to today's common 1080p HDTVs.

 

I care more about knowing if this piece of crap will support tessellation more than I care about the rendering resolution - after all, knowing that it will have no more than 512MB of RAM probably the texture sizes would suggest a similar quality to today's XBOX 360 titles - something that doesn't benefit from rendering at higher resolutions anyway.

 

Actualy there already is Super HD. The BBC & NHK did a live broadcast from the UK to Japan in Super HD late last year. The resolution is 4 times higher than what HD TVs can handle now. There is only one camera that could film Super HD and that was one of those RED cameras and even that need a special lense made to pick up the extra detail.

BBC's tech program, CLICK did a feature on it last year.

 

Amen to that!

Is this a future Dreamcast? Not that I dislike the Dreamcast,I personally love it, but a lot of people overlooked it. "Oh good graphics!!! Wait a PS2 has a DVD Drive, let's rush out and sell the Dreamcast". I'm worried that Ninty will go all out on this.

Back to the 8GB on board, I doubt that will be enough.. If this system is going to be download only.. People will be buying 64GB sd cards for sure.

To the 1080i conundrum, I can't see why it's a problem. But it maybe pointless. I don't personally know anyone with a 1080i compatible TV.
Also has there been any rumors about Virtual Console being used again? VC has been forgotten. There has only been a handful amount of games.

 

Its also one of the many reasons why many films since star wars episode 1 have had their SFX rendered at 3800p and above, helps for future releases and for putting onto any analogue medium too.

Lol the jump to HD did add alot, but unless we all have gigantic wall sized TVs super HD will be a mostly useless push haha. Not to say I wouldn't want one of the UHD 4320p tvs.

 

You do realize that Nintendo has basically just been taking pieces of what Sega did on the Dreamcast the entire time right? Screen on the controller? Motion controls? All this was done before, and instead people spent their money on a goddamn DVD player. OH:

 

I remember seeing the first photos of that "goddamn DVD player" in some magazine and thinking to myself, (after looking at my HUGE pile of Dreamcast games and accessories), Fuck it PLAYS DVD's!!!!

If sega came back to hardware I'd purchase with blind faith, despite their failure in the hardware business my fondest gaming memories (besides that of my intellivision or arcades) were of playing on my DC.




"It's Thinking"....... maybe of a comeback? XD I wish.

 

If Sega came back they would have to release something like the Wii, they cant afford to compete against sony and MS again.

About Cafe being 1080i, nobody saw this coming?

The 3DS still uses a regular ARM instead of a Cortex, has a resistive screen while everybody is had moved to capacitive and its lowres compared to most phones these days, let alone the NGP. Yet it cost $250, a lot of dough for the 4th Gameboy.

Nintendo much like Apple has brand recognition, which means people dont look at the specs just like someone buying a hugo boss suit doesnt cares about the fabric. Look at the iphone4, it has become a midend phone for a while now, yet apple is in no rush to release the iphone5, rumors point to a late 2011/early 2012 announcement.

The wii2 will probably have a lowend GPU from AMD like the 4200 used in so many IGPs, just enough to support 720p, and it will be integrated on a G5 like an APU if they can figure it out how to keep it cool enough. Mind that the wii1 CPU its based on preG3 PPC processors, so even a single core G5 would be a tremendous jump in performance.

 

Hey, I wasn't sold myself until relatively recently. It's pretty simple, though - modern games look better in HD. If that seems redundant, well... I blame the question

HD for video is less clear-cut, in my opinion. I'm still happy with a DVD for most older movies, it's only really worth it if the films have been shot in HD to begin with, unless the DVD transfer was truly fucked. The best use and most obvious benefit of HD for video is in CG movies and nature documentaries, in my experience.

Absolutely. I'm looking forwards to the next gen already - I doubt they'll go above 1080p and personally I wouldn't want them to, I'd much rather see improvements at that resolution first.