Possible Korean war coming

I have no problem accepting other opinions as what they are. But I do have a problem with "opinions" that are completely baseless and ridiculous. You don't have to agree with the methodology at all, just don't deny that events are actively taking place. I never at any point said that we were doing the right thing or that everything was going along swimmingly on all fronts. Nor did I say that I think we should be involved in yet another war.

What I do have a problem with is someone who seems so baselessly anti American that they will attempt to pick at anything we do almost to the point of foolishness. I am from the USA and I state that we are engaged in X, you laugh at me and say when pigs fly... How does this even make sense.

I simply stated what we are currently involved in and obviously capable of handling. Now wether or not you or I or anyone agrees with that is a totally different matter.

No one has to like that fact that we are actively engaged in 2 wars and the clean up of a MASSIVE oil spill. However, the fact remains that we are currently engaged in all of the above and we are handling these events as well if not better than any other nation in the same circumstances could hope to do.

Go ahead and keep acting like I'm some sort of close minded nationalist. It's totally up to you what you believe and how you perceive my actions.

*edit* I like the map though. It's interesting seeing all of that data in one concise write up. And no I am not saying that I like the fact that we have bombed so many places. Although I would like to point out that quite a few of those incidents were clearly justified and thus do nothing to make the point that the chart is attempting to prove.

 

Yay so now we are backing SK would have shat myself because I def thought that china would back NK then we would have WWIII. Its good that China is playing the "I'm not getting involved" card its extremely bad that we (the US) are when we haven't even secured stability in the middle east =/.

 

Really, though, is it our oil spill?

 

It's Mexico's. It's their gulf.

 

qft

 

I'm not Anti-American and i don't think of you as a mindless nationalist. How could i blame a single person for what a state does? I think i'm right when i say - you have (like me) as good as no influence.

I think war is something we should all fear and not discuss it like "this time they have no support from China". This is not GDI vs. NOD -it's real life. What if war would take place right beside your door? I don't want it and i don't want to let it happen on any other place of the earth.

But as i don't have any influence i can only say: Don't we have better things to do - don't we have other problems to solve than going to war?

 

And on those points I completely agree with you. I don't think entering into any war should be a flippant decision or something that we just wake up in the morning and decide to do. Hopefully this current issue with North Korea will not result in another war. Even with superior firepower and technology the casualties would be high and that's not ever going to be acceptable.

 

To be fair, it is almost entirely BP funding and coordinating the oil leak. All the government seem to be doing is talking about suing and 'kicking ass'.

 

I don't understand how the world leans back and just looks the oil flowing out in the open sea.
There isn't even Greenpeace showing up - and to fix the oil leak would be far more important than "saving some whales". (Of course it's also important to save whales!)

BP is ruined - they never can pay for the damage they have already done. And i doubt that they can solve the situation.

This is a matter for international cooperation in my opinion. In case of an earthquake international help is there in minutes - and where is it this time?

 

Yeah I can't quite understand why it has been this long and not only is the oil still flowing, but there seems to be no serious contender for a solution to the problem.

 

Because the pipe is a mile below the sea and the pipe is almost broken at ground level? Logistically it is a very hard task.

 

For the record Sweden has offered to send some oil cleanup vessels and crew, and I know at least four other countries has done the same.

Greenpeace can't do anything to stop the leak with the equipment they have. And it has no propaganda value to camp out by the oil rig and possibly stand in the way of efforts to fix things.

BP make a lot of money. A lot. If they plug this thing now they can pay for the damages they will be ordered to pay. If it gets out to the golf stream then maybe not.

The thing is; There is no fee for killing off a species or making the seabed dead for the next 30 years. They mostly have to pay for cleanup and actual economic losses made by humans.

The US has be offered (and so far refused) help with cleanup, but with the possibly exception of Norway I don't think anyone has any equipment to help out with plugging the leak.

 

I hope the US learns something from all this. Migrating elk or not, if you have oil under the ground that you stand on then that should be depleted before any oil in the middle of the ocean. Too much can go wrong and it is to hard to fix.

 

Nobody learned anything. Obama's order to stop oil production on any US oil-rig has been abrogated by court yesterday. They can continue working again, some of them for sure not under different conditions than the desaster rig.

The reason for the court decision? Common sense? Reasonable thinking? Or maybe it was because 32 (!) oil concerns were sueing against Obama's order?

 

I read that in the NYJ. While I understand the implications of stopping all oil, as someone who has had a job "putting out fires" the first thing you do when there's a disaster is stop and figure out how the fuck it happened.

 

But we'd lose our precious wildlife scenery!!! I just love when people refuse to let companies drill in our country because they think the drills are ugly, but if there is oil in a different country, drill baby drill...

 

That is the classic NIMBY scenario. Ted Kennedy was all for green energy up until it was decided to install wind turbines near his home on Cape Cod. Then he had a problem.

 

Nuclear war tomorrow then? :-0

 

Nuke 'em 'til they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark. :flamethrower: