PSIO Supposedly Working

Now you're clinging to the mirrors, while trying to cover your act up. Good luck.

 

good luck with "Unhaunted"

 

Thank you, but again, I see that you're attempting to derail the topic with off-topic matters, yet again.
Is that all you can do?
This topic is to discuss about PSIO, not this name calling.

 

why DO you discuss NOT about PSIO?

 

I am sorry that my discussion about PSIO is the only thing you have seen from me on this message board... you haven't looked deep enough into my post history, then.
I do not use to visit forums as much I used to and the reasons are none of your business.
I only reply occasionally to few topics of my interest and that's it.

At this point, I would like to add, there are other places for the kind of conversation you're so obsessed to have; the place, I repeat, is not this topic.

 

chain of sense is lost for me long ago in this topic. i dont get what you want at all.

 

Twimfy - maybe you go "piss off" somewhere else too. i promise make same after you))

 

sd2snes is fully open source (menu code and hardware design), but I have yet to see a chinese clone of it... And believe me, SNES is way more popular than the «thing» called Genesis...

 

I've seen the effect of getting the crab on your back up close (although luckily not personally), and it was sufficiently unpleasant that I wouldn't want to take any risk of it at all. To be specific, it cost him his business, nearly cost him his house and he later told me that he was seriously considering suicide at one point.

I also think you are grossly overestimating the amount of effort it would be for Sony to sue someone - they have a whole in-house legal department, and these people are already paid for, so the incremental cost of starting another action is minimal. Maybe not in Belarus, but certainly in Australia - which is a country that has followed the US lead into excessive IP legislation with a disturbing degree of enthusiasm.

To put it simply, if I was designing something that was at least arguably a piracy device for a Sony console I would not even consider using pirated Sony code to do so - it just makes it far too easy for them - especially if you are selling this product and can't even make a "not commercial use" argument...

 

sorry think you a bit confused, i was refering to lawyers for the GPL license breach not Sony's

 

OK, but the post you quoted had the following line in it:

"But I cannot see Sony suing somebody in Belarus for distributing long ago leaked dev software"

Which certainly does make it seem like the legal action being talked about was from Sony, and not some notional FOSS lawyer.

 

Sorry yeah the previous poster was referring to Sony but i was talking more generally about the GPL, im sure Sony would not be too happy but also their are legitimate uses for PSIO (such as for use on older playstations where the lasers have died and you cant easily get a quality replacement) so as a product to extend the life of an older console its a great idea, Sony stopped selling the original Playstation nearly 10 years ago and no longer have backward compatible PS2 or PS3 units available and as such people will look for alternatives (emulation, PSIO etc.)

 

FPGA and MCU code can be lifted, the chinese do it regularly.

And for the record, if you release PSIO with this software without complying with the GPL, I'll forward the details of your product onto the EFF legal department and then we'll see what happens.

 

Which has kinda been my point... the FPGA and MCU code could be extracted if someone really wanted to. You would then have a hardware clone that will run the PSIO OS from sd card without problem. Protecting the OS sourcecode does nothing to stop clones, so there is no point delaying the release.

If anything, having the OS opensource and the code available would allow people to fix compatibility or add features etc.

 

Oh jesus, I knew it was too good to be true. I come back and there are pages of bullshit bickering over code ownership. This is why we can't have nice things, credit...

What's the situation, should I forget about this thing or not? The last time I saw a disagreement over code the fucking thing never got finished.

 

Well, Haunted emailed me this morning about all this.

The general jist of the mail is:

1. There is more to this argument than just Gemini's and tail's side.
2. He is not using any of their code, so there is no GPL violation.
3. The issues with Cybdyn are mostly language barrier.
4. Cybdyn mostly doesn't care about the license anyway - if he had to use GPL code, he will. This shit is getting made regardless (but apparently it DOESN'T use GPL code, cybdyn's argument is theoretical that he would use it anyway as he wants to make this).
5. Haunted doesn't come here to fight his side because he has learnt his lesson about talking too much in his early days on this forum. He will let the product do the talking.
6. Haunted is going to send me a prototype for an "independent view" of the device. To confirm it works, etc. Rather than it coming from Haunted/cybdyn.

Think that covers it all. Please be aware, the above are not my views or opinions and Haunted certainly wasn't arguing in his email. I have also said what I mentioned in my post above this one - that holding back the OS code doesn't help to protect the device from clones and that I would recommend opening it all up on day 1. He seemed to take this on board and had said the 1 year plan might change anyway before I even mentioned it (note, this may include never releasing source - it currently isnt decided!).


Take what you want from all this. I still want to see this thing exist, but I do not want to see the GPL violated and any code used without permission.

If you want to respond to the points above, I am NOT going to act as a relay. I have no horses in this race, it just seems Haunted has chosen me to give my view on the actual hardware to try and clear some of the problems in this thread. I do not give a shit about internet drama between Haunted/cybdyn/gemini/tails.

 

He has chosen wisely. Looking forward to results on this one! :smile-new:

 

Me too.

Me and Haunted have had (many!) disagreements in the past, but I would love to see this actually arrive and work (but without screwing over any of the community over code etc!). We have not spoken since he left the boards, but he seems to have matured from the tone of his mails.

I suspect the fact me and him have disagreed so much (and so publically, go search for his old posts!) is partly the reason why he wants me to see the prototype. I guess if I have good things to say after all the bad - thats got to count a lot!

 

Cheers Bad_Ad mate, that clears things up without having to trawl through pages of bullshit and loosing 2 hours of my life. Much appreciated.

I just want to see this thing succeed.

 

My post isnt a summary of this thread. But it gives you an understanding that its still going ahead "from the horses mouth".