PSIO Supposedly Working

you should ask smart couple guys - to make what i not finished...

 

Donators should probably forward their complains to you and Haunted alone, since you guys started accepting those donations way before the project was even "started" for real. People are responsible for their own failures, so cut the victimistic crap again and don't blame those who tried making you realize how your attitude about the source code question (and not just that) sounds like a child's act.

 

i'm fired. your turn.

 

Turn the wheel and win a prize.

 

what else we can expect from you? at least it should be no less than fake i did)))

 

That's really the best way you can argument? Faking your departure from the development and putting all the blame on me and tails? I guess I'm done, no need to discuss more with somebody who behaves like in kindergarten days.

 

i cant even think to be a person with whom you share your creations. that's why i removed myself - my tale is over. time to "Tales of Tails"

 

hmm...if he really decided to stop discussion with me... maybe it gives me a chance continue my work and finish what i plan do but now w/o any foolishness..

 

I forgot we still had to see the best from Cybdyn! Priceless, really! So much for Tales of Tails!

 

Go ahead, nobody's stopping you from doing that for real - no matter how much you reply, your argumentations on the question are weak if not plain pointless. It's because of replies like this that there's no reason to discuss any more in here, since each new post shows how much credible you or your project are. Enjoy your nonsense and utter stubbornness over open source, licenses, and pretty much all the rest.

 

Let me put the last 10 pages in a nice simple way for you:

IF YOU SELL YOUR DEVICE YOU ARE LEGALLY FUCKED.

IF YOU GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE WITHOUT RELEASING THE SOURCE CODE ON THE SAME DAY (not a year later), YOU ARE LEGALLY FUCKED.

With the exception of a few chinese mod chip manufacturers, almost all of the devs out there making flash carts etc (Krizz for example) are doing it 100% legally or at the very least morally.

May I remind you that you're on a very popular forum and news travels from here to many other sites fast, there'll be no hiding from the repercussions if you decide to make the wrong decision.

Great project and I like what you've done but just tread really fucking carefully.

Alternatively prove that the code is 100% unique (which it's clearly not as you've started asking questions about mixed GPL etc). A way you could do this is upload it for everyone to see, if you're really doing this in the spirit of the PSX community then there's no harm in sharing it now seeing as you said you will eventually anyway. You never know, some people may help you with it.

 

While I wholeheartedly agree with you guys about the usage of GPL code, you do realize cybdyn is in Belarus where outside copyrights don't mean quite what they do in the "West." Secondly, who in their right mind will bother wasting lawyer fees on going after a guy making a few thousand dollars on a PS1 emulating board? You don't actually believe the "FBI" of Belarus will go after him do you? Mr. Haunted/Shadow might get in more trouble in Australia, but I doubt it. At worst they could get banned from Paypal.

Twimfy, as for Krikzz, his OS code has been stolen by the Chinese, who make Everdrive clones with older hardware revisions and his OS, and sell them to unsuspecting buyers. So it's important not to share the OS code freely.

 

I HOPE assembler DON'T delete this thread like other times, really!

 

wow... "tAilS tAleS" is becoming popular

 

Why do you insist on wasting precious CPU cycles with useless posts? These electrons aren't free.

 

I don't know why are you playing the devil's advocate here.
It is not like people are asking cybdyn to pay thousands of dollars in order to license the code... the code is free, he just has to abide relatively very liberal licensing terms.
If he doesn't want to abide the terms, he can do his own thing... is that too hard?

Or is it better to hide behind the fact that copyrights aren't that important in Belarus?
That comes out as seriously arrogant, because nobody is even asking him money.

About the fact of the Chinese clones of the Everdrive, too bad, it's a fact of life... whoever wants to copy a device, is really willing to do it and has the tools is going to make a copy eventually... there's a very simple and effective way to contrast that, and it is building a vibrant and supportive community around your device where people talk about and do interesting things and help each other with issues.

The copiers can't copy that... and let the people who want to buy the clones buy them, who are they going to ask for support when their thingie breaks up after a week? There will be nobody to support them.

The further this discussion goes and the more the PSIO team tries to justify what they do wrong, passing it as good actions, while correcting their act wouldn't cost them anything and would get them more credibility and popularity.

As I said before, this really makes you think about who are the people behind the project and what they are doing.

 

Right now, I think the fact they were proposing to use PsyQ is a much bigger risk for them than anything else - Sony have lots of lawyers, and although they generally don't seem to care about people building stuff with pirated versions of their devkit they might take a different approach if it was a part of something that was actually being sold (I.E. you could argue it counted as "commercial use").

The GPL stuff seems to be basically a non-issue right now - simply because the act that triggers the GPL requirements is not using the code or editing it, but distributing it - and as far as I know nothing has been distributed so far.

I think your last point is somewhat irrelevant though - you don't need access to the source code to clone something, just the object code - having the source might make it easier to customize, but most people in the business of making knock-off copies are lazy, and will just use the original code in an unmodified form.

 

Once you clone the hardware, the hardware will run the OS code from the SD card - just like a legit PSIO.

"Protecting" the OS code wont stop a clone.

 

Well they may have trouble selling the cards, although I doubt it, if they anger the "community." But I cannot see Sony suing somebody in Belarus for distributing long ago leaked dev software for a system that ceased to manufacture more a decade ago. As I said, it may not be the right thing to do. I'm not being Devil's Advocate, I'm just stating what's realistic to assume. I would hope cybdyn would follow etiquette, but I don't believe lawyers would lift a finger on this. If they need to use PsyQ to get this done, so be it. The system ceased over 10 years ago!

 

i also agree with the fact that no lawyer will be interested in this, i feel its more than the community may shun the device if they find they have used stolen code but at the same time what people say they will do and what actually happens is usually quite different, so i imagine if it works 100% and released alot of people would buy it even tho they dont agree with using the stolen code but since its the only option on the market most will probably make a purchase at some point