What is it with the Internet's Love of the Dreamcast over the Saturn?

Yes, importing is def a nice way to save some cash (this is also true for Dreamcast). Nights? Well it's sorta expensive in my neck of the wood and so is alpha 2 :?
I have all those games and few other elusive games but those high profile games like say Gaurdian Heroes, Mega Man X4, Burning Rangers are priced a bit too high...

 

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Dreamcast is cherished, so is the Saturn. The Dreamcast has tons of good and expensive games, so has the Saturn. I don't see the point of this discussion.

And this grammar in the first post I don't know what it is with you but. I think you have serious issues with correct punctuation and correct use of, the English grammar. It makes reading very unpleasant I do say this because it annoys the fuck out of me. Who tries to apply good grammar.

 

Its because the way people talk about the Saturn, its like it only had 2 or 3 decent games, where the DC has several which are well known. For example, Athlete Kings was AWESOME on 2 player Vs. Do we ever hear about it from the so called Saturn fans? Nope.

On the other hand we hear a lot about Daytona USA and Virtua Fighter, which whilst they broke ground, wernt even that good and some games, whilst they may be good, only crop up in conversation because they are expensive. Many seem too busy focusing on the riches to miss the gems at their feet. Sega may have killed the Saturn, but it is the Saturn fans which killed the systems legacy.

 

I think it's because for the Dreamcast, Sega localized better games than they did for the Saturn. It seems like all the Saturn's best games stayed in Japan, for the simple reason that they were 2D and not 3D.

 

Hey, screw you, I love that game :wink-new:

This is the main reason why. Also, the fact that on the Internet DC has been branded forever as the "obscure" console everyone is supposed to love, while the Saturn has no such image, or is even considered a total failure. Basically, a lot it comes down to most of the people on the Internet parroting popular opinions rather than bothering to come up with their own. Another good example of this is how every game the AVGN reviews automatically becomes bad, even if they really aren't.

 

I love them both but I'm not so fond of the DC pads and the fact (which you've mentioned) that the VMS memory size is too small. Games-wise the Saturn library is more interesting to me, even while a large part of the classics are JPN only.

 

I can not take one over another, because I love them both. Both have great games and are great consoles.
Now there is a thing I dont understand why people still mention that Dreamcast has on disc DLC, that was not DLC it was Unlockable content. To be on disc DLC you have to buy or download the unlock file. On the Dreamcast you only had to play the game in different ways to unlock the content. The DLC you dont need to do anything to have it, it just appear on the game once you download it or unlock it with the key file.

 

I love both console equally, any day I'd take over the Saturn's durability.

As Bad_Ad84 mentioned, the protection is annoying as you need so many modifications for it. Yes there are work arounds; Action Replay + Modchip but the Dreamcast is a lot more simple.

Not that I totally understand the thread's meaning, but the Saturn is a lot older than the Dreamcast thus being more forgotten. I'd tell anyone that the Saturn is a fantastic system and you MUST own one if you're a collector of video games.

 

It depends, I got alot of those games pretty cheaply

 

its very strange during this generation I've seen so many talking highly of the dreamcast, some people of whom i know in real life and know they didn't even have a Dreamcast?
Its become strangely fashionable to like the dreamcast, in the same way you get 1000s of people talking about how good the NES was and certain games which often were released years before they were even born. I think its a phase.
Between my Saturn and my Dreamcast I really don't know what I would choose.

I think part of the Dreamcast appeal was the fact it wasn't only the underdog like the Saturn but it brought about so many new and stylish concepts at a point where 3d had been accepted. Games like Jet Set Radio, PSO and Shenmue have had an amazing influence on modern game design and got mainstream coverage at the time so they've stuck in the heads of the gaming public.

 

Jet Set/Grind Radio is the only Dreamcast game I keep going back to and playing over again.

although I do love me a few rounds of Crazy Taxi.

 

Imo it the pub DC got with piracy, and the fact that the people that were young gamers at the time, early teens to young adults, are themost active users of the internet nowadays.

 

I sure have my share of Burned Dreamcast games. But that was long after it's death and almost all the burns I have are games I probably wouldn't have bought anyway.

Maybe Tokyo Bus Guide... makes Crazy Taxi look slow and prodding by comparison :redface-new:

 

Saturn had a terrible launch. None of its games really got any mainstream attention.

The Dreamcast launch got quite a bit of press, as did games like NFL 2k series, Crazy Taxi, and Marvel vs. Capcom.

I personally love both, but the Saturn is King.

Shining Force 3 by itself clinches it for me. Not to mention the Panzer Dragoon series, Nights, and the Treasure classics.

 

I finally just now played Nights Properly on a Saturn with a 3d Pad... amazing how the PS2 version is the same game, but not the same game. I also just got Outrun for Saturn and...dare I say that's the definitive version?

The Saturn seems to have all Sega's classics on it in Sega Ages form. And lets not forget about the awesomeness that is Sonic Jam.

But then again, Jet Grind/Set Radio.

 

This post has quite a few grammatical errors, as well as having odd sentence structure at times...

 

Apparently my attempt of a humorous response is hard to appreciate for some people.

Hmm.. I don't think that's true. Actually, most of the big AAA-titles if not all of them were localized: Burning Rangers, Shining Force 3, Enemy Zero, Last Bronx, Saturn Bomberman, PD Saga, Dragon Force... there were hardly any 2D games made by SEGA anyway.

It started good for the Saturn in terms of non-shooter 2D-games. The West got Games like Sega Ages Collection, Street Fighter Collection & SF Zero 1/2, King of Fighters '95, Astal... but later in the Saturn's life, releases became less frequent and the big 2D gems the Saturn is known for mostly stayed in Japan.

 

I am a huge Saturn fan, but I think part of the problem is due to the fact that the initial batch of software was mostly poor arcade ports. Virtua Fighter and Daytona USA arcade versions are in most peoples "Greatest games of all time" lists, yet nobody really enjoyed the Saturn versions because of how bad the first revisions of Daytona and Virtua Fighter were compared to their arcade counterparts. Even Sega Rally, while a brilliant conversion, did not give the same "WOW" factor as the arcade version's crisp Model 2 graphics did. While the conversions did get better, none of them were arcade perfect - at least, none of the 3D games were arcade perfect, even if Capcom's 2D fighting games and SNK's conversions were right on the money.

In contrast, Dreamcast brought that arcade sensation slap bang into your home with almost 100% accuracy with games such as Crazy Taxi and Virtua Fighter 3, as well as 2D games such as Marvel Vs Capcom. I think people tend to merge their memories of the Dreamcast hardware with the Naomi arcade experience, and that's why it gets much more love than the Saturn does.

Also, maybe the accessibility of pirated games and homebrew without the need to modify the system helps somehow?

Personally, I wouldn't be happy without either console underneath my TV.

 

I think the reason the Dreamcast is praised so highly over the Saturn is largely for cultural reasons. (I think I make a lot of worthy points in this post so I know it is quite long but please try to read all of it if you are really interested in the subject.)

- The Saturn is a story of failure. (I don't think I need to recite it.) The Dreamcast is a story of redemption.
- While yes, there was very primitive online gaming during the Saturn era, the Dreamcast certainly had better online, and many people are very nostalgic for the some of the great online Dreamcast games such as Phantasy Star Online and Ooga Booga.
- The VMU was nothing special then and is definitely not now either, but it is an interesting idea and a staple of the Dreamcast.
- The Dreamcast possibly the third most accessible "retro" console too, next to the Genesis and SNES. (If we are going by anything pre-2000s being retro.) Most new/young collectors will have a greater interest in the Dreamcast over the Saturn because of its larger selection of games in the US and I believe worldwide, it generally has much cheaper games and DC games are much more common than Saturn games (especially complete), and since it is technically a last generation system, the graphics are relatively modern and familiar looking to our current era of gaming.
- While the Saturn 3D Pad may be of higher quality compared to the DC controller (I have not used the 3D Pad personally though), it is obvious that the DC controller has a sleeker design, colorful buttons, and of course VMU and rumble pak support.
- Dreamcast had Sonic Adventure games. This is a biggy.
- Dreamcast supports VGA and with the massive rise in HDTV popularity, this makes it the absolute nicest looking and most compatible "retro" system in existence.
- Dreamcast GD ROM cases are small, slim, jewel cases as opposed to the clunky long-boxes of the Saturn. Yet another reason why collecting for the Dreamcast is easier and more common.
- The Dreamcast received plenty of Naomi ports, a massively popular and advanced arcade machine. The Dreamcast did these ports fairly well.
- The Dreamcast now has one of the biggest, if not the biggest, homebrew communities out there.

That's all I got for now, sorry for it being so long but I think there really are a ton of reasons why the Dreamcast is considered a god over the Saturn to most people. Not bashing the Saturn though. Also don't worry, the Saturn still has hope to achieve something higher than obscure underdog status as long as the AVGN does not make a video on it.... I would hate to see him kill the Saturn like he did the 32x and Sega CD, even though I think his videos are hilarious.

Last thing, this is my first post on this site, so yay!

 

Doth thou not knoweth thy ellipsis requires four periods if it is at the end of a sentence, and that they must be spaced? Geese, speak properly, school aint for sacks.

Also, the Saturn is one of the only (big name) consoles that I have never had a chance to play, as I remember it being expensive and pretty rare compared to what else was around at the time, at least here. Maybe I shall compile a list of some of its top named games around here for when I get a chance to check it out.

The Dreamcast got way more recognition from my experience, as for why, not sure. Maybe because it was at the front of the line of new consoles at the time. Either way, that piece has some great games. While I don't talk about how amazing the Cast was and how it was so innovative (as many seem to do), you can't deny things like four player Powerstone.